GUNS...GUNS...GUNS...GUNS...GUNS....etc.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Yes Guin. Very sad. But what we do (most of the world) is screw up the "safety" petrol container so we can use it. And we dump the stupid CFL bulbs or whatever they are after crushing them underfoot. And we probably dig a hole and dump our used engine oil in it next to the old battery we buried last year. Why? Because we're outlaws - that's why!

Not Meade

[Sue U]

Oh, but it's for the kids. first line of appealing to the heart strings

It's not "for the kids," it's for everybody. The mother in that case could have been just as severely burned and it was only sheer luck that her injuries were not as severe as her child's.

First off, you don't store a gas can in your basement.

Whether or not that may be a good rule, the simple fact is that there are millions of people who would have no other place to store it, and it is certainly predictable that people will, in fact, store gas cans in their basement -- as well as paint, paint thinner, turpentine, other solvents, aerosol sprays, oil, etc. etc. And if some such thing sets my neighbor's house on fire, it may very well set mine on fire, too -- especially if I were living in a row home, where people generally do not have sheds and such for outdoor storage.

Second, you teach your kids to stay away from such things.

It was entirely unknown whether the child in my case had anything at all to do with the spill or whether the can had fallen sometime earlier. Such accidents are entirely foreseeable.

Third don't expect the rest of us to be legistated for your faults.

It's not my "faults," but the very common and predictable types of accidents that occur regularly, causing loss of life, limb and property.

Tell me, what terrible hardship have you had to endure because of your gas can cap? You want to go tell that little boy and his mom about how terrible it has made your life? You want to tell their neighbors, whose home was severely damaged in the fire?

[Sue U]

Yes Guin. Very sad. But what we do (most of the world) is screw up the "safety" petrol container so we can use it. And we dump the stupid CFL bulbs or whatever they are after crushing them underfoot. And we probably dig a hole and dump our used engine oil in it next to the old battery we buried last year. Why? Because we're outlaws - that's why!

Not Meade

Um, Not Meade, I'm not Guin. (She's the blonde living at the beach.)

And I don't think the civilized world should have to put up with it simply because you are so lazy and inconsiderate as to create safety hazards and pollute the environment.

[Guinevere]

Yes Guin. Very sad. But what we do (most of the world) is screw up the "safety" petrol container so we can use it. And we dump the stupid CFL bulbs or whatever they are after crushing them underfoot. And we probably dig a hole and dump our used engine oil in it next to the old battery we buried last year. Why? Because we're outlaws - that's why!

Not Meade

Um, Not Meade, I'm not Guin. (She's the blonde living at the beach.)

And I don't think the civilized world should have to put up with it simply because you are so lazy and inconsiderate as to create safety hazards and pollute the environment.

Amen!
Love and kisses,
NotSue

[rubato]

The *article* blames it on women . . .

I caught that too. Fred knows his audience. Misogynist, dumb, and ignorant.

With this came feminization. The schools began to value feelings over learning anything. .... The female preference for security over freedom set in like a hard frost. ... As women got in touch with their inner totalitarian, we began to outlaw large soft drinks and any word or expression that might offend anyone.

Thus much of the country morphed into helpless flowers, narcissistic, easily frightened, profoundly ignorant video-game twiddlers and Facebook Argonauts. As every known poll shows, even what purport to be college graduates do not know who fought in World War One, or that there was a Mexican-American war, or where Indochina is.

"Feminization" is inherently a bad thing according to Freddy.

"Female preference for security over freedom": what freedom is possible without security? Are you free if you never have security?

In addition to his lack of reading history Freddy is not a deep thinker. Dear Freddy, try reading FDR on "The four freedoms".


"...
The Four Freedoms were goals articulated by United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt on January 6, 1941. In an address known as the Four Freedoms speech (technically the 1941 State of the Union address), he proposed four fundamental freedoms that people "everywhere in the world" ought to enjoy:

Freedom of speech
Freedom of worship
Freedom from want
Freedom from fear
..."

yrs,
rubato

[rubato]

People who complain that government regulates activities which impact them have almost never considered how else we are to exist with 315,000,000 other people in a confined space without poisoning each other, using up all of our water wastefully, setting each other on fire, &c.

Regulation generally occurs after we have discovered a new way in which the behavior of careless or thoughtless individuals impacts those around them.

We regulate new toilets because we all suffer when 3 gals per flush uses up all our water. We don't allow you to dump motor oil in the storm drains because it poisons the oceans we all depend on (or the bay). We don't allow you to use R-12 because it destroys the ozone layer which protects all of us from UV rays. We outlawed leaded fuel for cars because it poisoned all of us.

The process of discovering which regulations we need is imperfect, as all of human society is, but we cannot exist without it. it is not a static thing. It is a dynamic process.

yrs,
rubato

[oldr_n_wsr]

Tell me, what terrible hardship have you had to endure because of your gas can cap?

I can't fill my lawn mower, leaf blower nor weed wacker. Because of the spout I end up not using the pour spout which in turn spills more gas (a waste of resource) and possible fire source.

You want to go tell that little boy and his mom about how terrible it has made your life? You want to tell their neighbors, whose home was severely damaged in the fire?

I don't know if this legislation was done because of this little boy or any other. But if it was, yes I will tell them that it has inconvienced me and many, many others. That certain safeguards should be made by the people and that we can't legislate away any and all danger. That we need to have (and should expect) some due diligence from ourselves.

I store paint and thinners and stains in my basement. They are all tightly sealed and well away from any ignition source. I have a metal trash can with an automatic closing lid for any oily rags that I frequently have as I do a lot of woodworking (staining, varnishing, poly-uring). I also installed a fan to the outside and a filter on that fan so that when I am staining/finishing a project, the fumes do not build up. Due diligence rather than legislation. Reading the side of the can usually tells people how to safely use and store these materials. More people should read the side of the can.

If there are any doubts about where or how to store any of these items in a home where outdoor storage is not possible, one can usually contact the local fire department and they can come over and inspect how you are doing it and recommend changes. When I was a volly we did many of these household inspections. We would rather prevent a fire than respond to a fire.


As far as regs to keep the water and soil clean, I have little trouble with them. My used oil is taken to the tawn landfill for proper disposal. My batteries are returned when a new one is purchased. Tires are returned when new ones are purchased. My AC is recharged at official recharging auto shops. No problem with any of those laws.

[Crackpot]

We regulate new toilets because we all suffer when 3 gals per flush uses up all our water. We don't allow you to dump motor oil in the storm drains because it poisons the oceans we all depend on (or the bay).

What good does that do when it now takes multiple flushes to do what one flush uesd to? (not to mention extral cleaning products etc...)

[Guinevere]

Due diligence rather than legislation. Reading the side of the can usually tells people how to safely use and store these materials. More people should read the side of the can.

Just how do you think those instructions ended up on the cans? I can tell you, its not because of the good will of the manufacturer, or the desire to educate their consumers.

It's because the appropriate federal regulatory agency mandated those disclosures and instructions, under the auspices of the applicable federal law that required same.

[dales]

It's because the appropriate federal regulatory agency mandated those disclosures and instructions, under the auspices of the applicable federal law that required same.

Oh, oh.......I ripped a tag off off my mattress, will the BLUE MEANIE Feds come after me?

[Guinevere]

If you'd read the tag, you'd note that it can't be sold without it, but once you, the consumer have taken possession -- do with it what you will.

[Joe Guy]

Oh, oh.......I ripped a tag off off my mattress, will the BLUE MEANIE Feds come after me?

It's a good thing quad isn't here.

If he read your post he would be mandated by the U.S. Government to report you to his employer and you would need to worry about a representative of Timothy Geithner's office coming to your front door.

[oldr_n_wsr]

Just how do you think those instructions ended up on the cans? I can tell you, its not because of the good will of the manufacturer, or the desire to educate their consumers.

I have not trouble with what they write on the side of the can and appreciate any and all instructions (some of us actually read tha stuff). When they legislate the usefulness of the product to the point of being unuseable, then there is a problem. Especially when there are no alternatives. Next time I am in Canada (which does not have these useless legislation against gas cans) I am going to buy a few.

[Guinevere]

Oh, oh.......I ripped a tag off off my mattress, will the BLUE MEANIE Feds come after me?

It's a good thing quad isn't here.

If he read your post he would be mandated by the U.S. Government to report you to his employer and you would need to worry about a representative of Timothy Geithner's office coming to your front door.

Timmy left that job a month ago . . .

[oldr_n_wsr]

Oh, oh.......I ripped a tag off off my mattress, will the BLUE MEANIE Feds come after me?

It's a good thing quad isn't here.

If he read your post he would be mandated by the U.S. Government to report you to his employer and you would need to worry about a representative of Timothy Geithner's office coming to your front door.

Timmy left that job a month ago . . .

And took the tag with him.

[Joe Guy]

Timmy left that job a month ago . . .

Does quad know that?

[rubato]

We regulate new toilets because we all suffer when 3 gals per flush uses up all our water. We don't allow you to dump motor oil in the storm drains because it poisons the oceans we all depend on (or the bay).

What good does that do when it now takes multiple flushes to do what one flush uesd to? (not to mention extral cleaning products etc...)

It does not take 3 flushes to do what 1 used to. That is false. And many toilets now have 'dual flush' options. In Europe nearly all hotels were equipped with toilets which gave you a choice of flushing for pee, less water , and solids, more.

Low-flow toilets work, period.

yrs,
rubato

[rubato]

If you'd read the tag, you'd note that it can't be sold without it, but once you, the consumer have taken possession -- do with it what you will.

I thought that joke passed its sell-by date back in the 1970s.

Not everywhere, apparently. There are some senile citizens homes where that circulates along with Charley McCarthy and Abbott and Costello routines.

yrs,
rubato

[Lord Jim]

I know what you mean about those "senile citizens" rube...

Some of them are so out of it that they think 46 is 1/4th of 80...

Can you imagine?

[Joe Guy]

There are some senile citizens homes where that circulates along with Charley McCarthy and Abbott and Costello routines.

Rubato & Costello

Costello: Who's on first?

Rubato: Yes. Only the willfully ignorant wouldn't know that.

Costello: I'm asking you. Who's on first?

Rubato:


Costello: What's that?

Rubato: What is on second you ignorant republican.

Costello: What's his name?

Rubato: Yes. Anyone with an education would know that.

Costello: Know what?

Rubato: Yes they would know what. And Ronald Reagan was senile. But who's on first.

Costello: I don't know.

Rubato: He's on third. And quit your hysterical meaningless bullshit.


Costello: What?

Rubato: What is on second. I hate to spoil your bullshit party.

Costello: What am I putting on third?

Rubato: Are you from Buttfuck, Idaho?

etc.