More UK Idiocy

[Guinevere]

I don't think that's true regarding the cost Daisy. You also have to look at the opportunity cost of what else could have been done with the land, and how many other homes the council could have built with that same money. Plus, I never saw what was wrong with her other home? It looked like a bit of a wreck, but where does she have some personal responsibility for keeping it clean and not tearing it apart?

I'm not saying she shouldn't get support, but why does she get to live in a home larger and nicer and more spacious that homes anyone else the council is supporting. Does she get rewarded for having 11 kids? Something seems a bit out of whack to me there.

The cost was stated by the leader of the council on the Radio 4 Today Programme on Wednesday, its not a one off home its part of a much larger development of social housing for the area. Costs of this building are proportionate to the other houses in the development. Remember that this is the cost to build the house, its not a house being built for profit.

Every person in the UK is entitled to social housing at the point of need (not all Authorities have the housing stock available since the "right to buy" thing began), regardless of the size of the family. Why should her children, born through no fault of their own be denied this?

Why does she get a larger house? Hmmmmmm, because there are 15 people living in there maybe?

It is still a complete strawman argument by the Right of Centre media to demonise the fewest poor in society.

I am the last one to support the right of centre media, or to demonise the poor. You'll note I'm not making jokes about her hair color or her looks or her ability to work -- although I do think having 11 children is completely irresponsible. But I still have not heard why her prior home was inadequate, and why the cost of building a relatively fancy new home was justified.

[Crackpot]

Especially in a country where using birth control isn't demonized

[Daisy]

They are currently living in two houses. Those houses were in need of repair and renovation to make them energy efficient and were initially meant as a temporary measure until a better sized house became available. There are already some larger houses in the housing stock but they need vacating and this didn't look like happening any time soon.

Sure having more than two children is pretty irresponsible, but should we punish the sons for the sins of the father?

[Crackpot]

After a point aren't you just abetting the parents poor behavior?

[Joe Guy]

Sure having more than two children is pretty irresponsible, but should we punish the sons for the sins of the father?

The thing that irritates me in this case is her belief that she is entitled to have the taxpayers support her and she doesn't seem to have a plan to do anything other than to continue being supported. The children should not be punished because she is who she is but I wonder how much they are being helped in the long run.

What are they learning other than how to not work and be supported?

In the U.S. there is a limit to time on aid and participation in a 'welfare to work' program is mandatory. We don't give free homes to people. We do subsidize their rent if they meet requirements.

We also have our share of career welfare recipients but I've never heard of one like this one.

...You'll note I'm not making jokes about her hair color...

I am because I'm entitled to do so.

[Econoline]

Sure having more than two children is pretty irresponsible, but should we punish the sons for the sins of the father?

Living in a house or apartment that someone considers "too small" is now defined as "punishment"?




And maybe, just maybe, we should punish the father--and the mother--for the sins (i.e., deliberate irresponsibilities) of the father--and the mother.

[Daisy]

Hang on whilst I requote and embolden myself here

I reckon she's been on maternity leave for pretty much a decade. She has also spent the last 18 months being treated for Cervical Cancer... that never made it into the DM article did it?

Her partner did work until recently, I believe he was one of the many victims of the recession. The children's father/fathers who are absent and not supporting the children they were complicit in making deserve some wrath IMNSHO.

The children are now victims of the venom that is currently being poured out by people all over the place about their mother. THAT is the true disgrace in all of this.

[Lord Jim]

She has also spent the last 18 months being treated for Cervical Cancer...

I'm not a man of medicine...

(Or even a Medicine Man...)

But could her decision to have eleven children possibly have played a role in this?

It appears it might:

Multiple Births: Studies have shown that women who carry seven or more full-term pregnancies are at a higher risk of developing cervical cancer.

http://cervicalcancer.about.com/od/risk ... alrisk.htm

[Joe Guy]

I reckon she's been on maternity leave for pretty much a decade. She has also spent the last 18 months being treated for Cervical Cancer... that never made it into the DM article did it?

Maternity leave from what? A job?

Her partner did work until recently, I believe he was one of the many victims of the recession. The children's father/fathers who are absent and not supporting the children they were complicit in making deserve some wrath IMNSHO.

I noticed that he is a partner, not a husband. That's probably because, as in the U.S,. if he were to marry her, his income would be used to calculate how much she would receive in benefits. Staying unmarried to a partner is a common strategy in taking advantage of the welfare system.

The children are now victims of the venom that is currently being poured out by people all over the place about their mother. THAT is the true disgrace in all of this.

Her outspokenness about being entitled to a nice big house is the most likely cause of that. She should know better than to flaunt the lifestyle provided by the government.

[Lord Jim]

I'm inclined to agree with my Right Learned Colleague from Redwood City....

[Daisy]

I reckon she's been on maternity leave for pretty much a decade. She has also spent the last 18 months being treated for Cervical Cancer... that never made it into the DM article did it?

Maternity leave from what? A job?

She has had jobs over the years. And believe it or not she is entitled by law like every other woman in the UK to maternity benefit. This by the way is for the welfare of the CHILD not the mother.

Her partner did work until recently, I believe he was one of the many victims of the recession. The children's father/fathers who are absent and not supporting the children they were complicit in making deserve some wrath IMNSHO.

I noticed that he is a partner, not a husband. That's probably because, as in the U.S,. if he were to marry her, his income would be used to calculate how much she would receive in benefits. Staying unmarried to a partner is a common strategy in taking advantage of the welfare system.

Actually the act of living with someone affects benefits payments over here, you don't have to be married these days... modern concept or what?

The children are now victims of the venom that is currently being poured out by people all over the place about their mother. THAT is the true disgrace in all of this.

Her outspokenness about being entitled to a nice big house is the most likely cause of that. She should know better than to flaunt the lifestyle provided by the government.

She did not initiate the press coverage of her situation, that was some other busy body. She has tried to defend herself and her children, who have been spat at and verbally abused in the street, since the whole witch hunt began. She has been badly paraphrased and made out to be an unrepentant scrounger. From the interview I heard with her she has come across as humble but determined that her children live in a decent, secure and safe environment.

[Sean]

...You'll note I'm not making jokes about her hair color...

I am because I'm entitled to do so.

And if you run out of jokes about the colour the council will provide you with an even more colourful person to make jokes about.

[Lord Jim]

who have been spat at and verbally abused in the street

Well that's certainly not right; whatever the poor choices their mother made, they are completely blameless.

since the whole witch hunt began.

I would call it more of an "idiot hunt"...

Whatever else can be said, this woman has made a series of appalling decisions and exhibited atrocious and recklessly irresponsible judgement...those would seem to be facts not in dispute....

ETA:

She has been badly paraphrased and made out to be an unrepentant scrounger.

‘It’s being built especially for me,’ she said. ‘If I go there and I say to them I don’t like it or it’s too small, then they will just have to build me a bigger one, won’t they?’

Those are presented as direct quotes; is she denying that she said that?

[Joe Guy]

There's a UK woman
Who lives in a house
With eleven young children
And a man not a spouse

She has so many children
She doesn't know what to do
And receives lots of money
Provided by you

So you should not worry
About children she's raised
Your tax will support them
And you should be praised

The money you give
Will help them live long
And if you criticize them
You're politically wrong

So pay that tax proudly
You know that it's good
To help those who live in
The free neighborhood.

[dales]

BURMA SHAVE

[rubato]

She has also spent the last 18 months being treated for Cervical Cancer...

I'm not a man of medicine...

(Or even a Medicine Man...)

But could her decision to have eleven children possibly have played a role in this?

It appears it might:

Multiple Births: Studies have shown that women who carry seven or more full-term pregnancies are at a higher risk of developing cervical cancer.

http://cervicalcancer.about.com/od/risk ... alrisk.htm

So the Catholic Church wants you to die of cervical cancer? I guess if a heathen god of genocide and torture wants to kill you, he'll set it up that way.

yrs,
rubato

[dales]

You're such a card, rubato.

[Lord Jim]

Shame he isn't playing with a full deck....

a heathen god of genocide

How can that be rube?

Everybody knows it was the Christians who invented genocide...