Pope Benedict Announces Resignation

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I can see your point re the Priest sex abusers prison analogy, but I'm not so sure about this:
It's a fallacy that applies to other types of child sexual abuse as well, that the sex of the victim bears any relationship to the sexual orientation of the predator. It doesn't, child sexual abuse is a crime of opportunity, and most of those who prey on children will take their victims as they are able to find them, regardless of their sex.
There are plenty of cases where sexual predators have equal access to both boys and girls, but chose to molest one sex exclusively...

And there are cases where sexual predators put themselves deliberately in a position to have access one specific sex. (I recall a case recently involving a girls swim team coach molesting under age girls on his team; presumably, if he had wanted to, he could have sought a position coaching a boys team.)

In fact when I think about it, the vast majority of news stories I have read over the years involving serial child molestation have involved (even those involving incest) predators who molested one sex exclusively...

I think it's fair to assume that in general, heterosexual child molesters are attracted to children of the opposite sex, homosexual child molesters are attracted to children of the same sex, and bisexual child molesters attracted to both.
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However, I can't seem to verify it against any legitimate news sources. This reads like "The Onion" if they got into investigative news journalism.

Here's some real Pope sex abuse scandal news:
http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/pope- ... candal.htm
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I think it's fair to assume that in general, heterosexual child molesters are attracted to children of the opposite sex, homosexual child molesters are attracted to children of the same sex, and bisexual child molesters attracted to both.
I don't think it's quite that simple Jim; e.g., a while back I recall a male businessman (I really can't find the source, forgive me) who molested teenage boys; during the trial it came out that this was his way of dealing with bullying he suffered while an adolescent--he was getting back at those who bullied him by sexually abusing and degrading boys of that same age. Otherwise he appeared to be exclusively heterosexual. Since rape is a crime of violence, that doesn't surprise me--do you really think that men who rape older women are exclusively attracted to them? Or is it something more difficult to explain (perhaps striking back at an older female who did something to them)? The human mind is fairly complex.

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Big RR wrote:
I think it's fair to assume that in general, heterosexual child molesters are attracted to children of the opposite sex, homosexual child molesters are attracted to children of the same sex, and bisexual child molesters attracted to both.
I don't think it's quite that simple Jim; e.g., a while back I recall a male businessman (I really can't find the source, forgive me) who molested teenage boys; during the trial it came out that this was his way of dealing with bullying he suffered while an adolescent--he was getting back at those who bullied him by sexually abusing and degrading boys of that same age. Otherwise he appeared to be exclusively heterosexual. Since rape is a crime of violence, that doesn't surprise me--do you really think that men who rape older women are exclusively attracted to them? Or is it something more difficult to explain (perhaps striking back at an older female who did something to them)? The human mind is fairly complex.
It's not always quite that simple but I'd bet that it certainly is the most common. Of course, there will always be someone like Norman Bates out there who is an exception to the typical pervert.

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It would be interesting at seeing some statistics; I don't think it's the rare incident. Rape is much more about violence , domination, and control than sexual release.

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It's not always quite that simple but I'd bet that it certainly is the most common.
I think that's exactly right.
do you really think that men who rape older women are exclusively attracted to them
The psychology is completely different Big RR...

While there are child molesters who are physically violent towards their victims, (and in some cases kill them) and while these types get most of the headlines, they are not the most common type.

Most child molesters are the "grooming" type. (befriending, gaining trust, etc.) If you've ever seen or read interviews with these sickos, you'll see them frequently say that they "loved" or "cared for" their victims; they delude themselves into believing that they are actually having some kind of "relationship"....they frequently don't even believe they have done anything wrong...(which is one of the reasons the recidivism rate is so high)

No rapist who breaks into the homes of elderly women, bashes them over the head and rapes them would ever talk about "loving" their victim....

From what I've read, the most common sort of child molester is one who is psychologically unable to have successful relationships with mature members of the sex they are attracted to, so they seek out children who they can better control and manipulate than they could an adult, who would be on more equal footing with them.
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I think opportunity has alot to deal with it too.and don't forget that using the victims shame and confusion as a weapon against them is part of the "grooming".
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Joe Guy wrote:
Big RR wrote:
I think it's fair to assume that in general, heterosexual child molesters are attracted to children of the opposite sex, homosexual child molesters are attracted to children of the same sex, and bisexual child molesters attracted to both.
I don't think it's quite that simple Jim; e.g., a while back I recall a male businessman (I really can't find the source, forgive me) who molested teenage boys; during the trial it came out that this was his way of dealing with bullying he suffered while an adolescent--he was getting back at those who bullied him by sexually abusing and degrading boys of that same age. Otherwise he appeared to be exclusively heterosexual. Since rape is a crime of violence, that doesn't surprise me--do you really think that men who rape older women are exclusively attracted to them? Or is it something more difficult to explain (perhaps striking back at an older female who did something to them)? The human mind is fairly complex.
It's not always quite that simple but I'd bet that it certainly is the most common. Of course, there will always be someone like Norman Bates out there who is an exception to the typical pervert.
Surely you mean Ed Gein.
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You mean the guy who loved ladyfingers?

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Jim--sorry, I missed your post; while I don't think you'd get many adult rapists who would say their victim loved him, I'd bet a good number would say (s)he wanted him. In controlling children the dynamics are different, but I'm not sure there is that much of a difference in motive.

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Except LJ's scenario of a little old lady being bashed over the head and raped by a stranger is not the common scenario. Rape and sexual assault are most likely committed by someone who knows the victim. 2/3 of rapes and almost 3/4 of sexual assaults, are perpetrated on the victim by someone they know.

More data here: http://www.rainn.org/get-information/st ... -offenders
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Big RR wrote:You mean the guy who loved ladyfingers?
The guy who inspired Norman Bates, Leatherface, Buffalo Bill (silence of the lambs) and many others.
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Yep, Crackpot, the same guy. That was a joke I recalll about him from early elementary school--What is Ed Gein's favorite food? Ladyfingers. Funny I remember it after all this time. I didn't know much about his crimes at the time (indeed, it was a bit before I was in school and our parents usually tried to hide such lurid details from us), but most of us were fascinated by tales of cannibalism and necrophilia (even if we didn't know exactly what it was).

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He's a conundrum in the whole nature vs. nurture argument.
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dgs49 wrote:Political correctness revisited: It is gauche and unacceptable to "notice" that pedophile priests prey exclusively on boys - that is, people of the same gender as they are. But God forbid anyone using the word, "homosexual" to describe them.
Pedophilia is different from homosexuality. This has been discussed extensively in the literature as well as in the media. Only the willfully ignorant don't know the difference.

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dgs49 wrote:Political correctness revisited: It is gauche and unacceptable to "notice" that pedophile priests prey exclusively on boys - that is, people of the same gender as they are. But God forbid anyone using the word, "homosexual" to describe them.
Why do you believe that pedophile priests prey exclusively on boys? Have you done a study?

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Q: Where have they found corruption in the RC church?
A: Everywhere they have looked, so far.


The government of Ireland has admitted guilt in the Magdalene Laundries and offered compensation. The RC church has blown the whole thing off, whats a little slave labor to them?

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He said "blown off" heh, heheh, heh
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What did they expect from him. Hire someone who specializes in poor taste humor and the. Get upset when they do what they do best. Looks like another in a long line of hosting miscasts
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Crackpot wrote:What did they expect from him. Hire someone who specializes in poor taste humor and the. Get upset when they do what they do best. Looks like another in a long line of hosting miscasts
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