Teen Rapists found Guilty

[Daisy]

I don't understand why they only got a year in Juvie for this. Send their sorry arses to a big mans jail where they can share a cell with a big man called Bubba who'll show them what "digital penetration" is all about.

And if those in the local community who are supporting them want to join them they can.

[rubato]

Since they were convicted and sentenced the idea of private vengeance is moot.

Except for the s stupid.

yrs,
rubato

[dgs49]

The facts are entirely consistent with the perpetrators claiming that they had not "raped" the girl. The common understanding of the term, "rape," is to have either forced or non-consensual sexual intercourse. There is no indication that either perpetrator had sexual intercourse with the victim. But the definition of sexual assault in Ohio encompasses any involuntary penetration - even with a finger, which did occur, and which in the common understanding is not "rape."

Similarly, a prominent Democrat truthfully claimed some years ago not to have had "sexual intercourse" with a White House intern, given the fact that he merely encouraged her to fellate him. At the time, it was commonly understood that such activity was not "sexual intercourse."

[Crackpot]

I got in from lunch convinced that this locale has c corner on the market on pig ignorant, selfish and self-absorbed people....


... Then I read that post

[Scooter]

Similarly, a prominent Democrat truthfully claimed some years ago not to have had "sexual intercourse" with a White House intern, given the fact that he merely encouraged her to fellate him. At the time, it was commonly understood that such activity was not "sexual intercourse."

So you bought into that attempt by Clinton to parse his words? Funny, because no one else did. Who would have thought that you would turn into his cheerleader on that topic?

[Econoline]

BTW, I think Clinton claimed that he "did not have sex with that woman"; if he had specified "sexual intercourse" he actually would have been telling the truth.

[oldr_n_wsr]

Since they were convicted and sentenced the idea of private vengeance is moot.

Except for the s stupid.

yrs,
rubato

Sometimes vengence take a while.

[Lord Jim]

BTW, I think Clinton claimed that he "did not have sex with that woman"

Econo is correct....

And beyond that, at one point Clinton attempted to parse this to an even more ludicrous extent, claiming that while Lewinsky, (as the giver of the blow job) was "having sex" he, (as the passive blow job recipient) was not...

Apparently he was just an innocent bystander who happened to experience a "wardrobe malfunction"....

2907.02 Rape.

(A)

(1) No person shall engage in sexual conduct with another who is not the spouse of the offender or who is the spouse of the offender but is living separate and apart from the offender, when any of the following applies:

(a) For the purpose of preventing resistance, the offender substantially impairs the other person’s judgment or control by administering any drug, intoxicant, or controlled substance to the other person surreptitiously or by force, threat of force, or deception.

(b) The other person is less than thirteen years of age, whether or not the offender knows the age of the other person.
(c) The other person’s ability to resist or consent is substantially impaired because of a mental or physical condition [being unconscious would qualify] or because of advanced age, and the offender knows or has reasonable cause to believe that the other person’s ability to resist or consent is substantially impaired because of a mental or physical condition or because of advanced age.

(2) No person shall engage in sexual conduct with another when the offender purposely compels the other person to submit by force or threat of force.

More:

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907.02

Nowhere in the statute will you find any reference defining rape as "sexual intercourse" ; the phrase used over and over is "sexual conduct" (which covers "digital penetration" under Ohio law) That is not a statute for "sexual assault" it is the statute for "rape".

You don't have a leg to stand on on this one Dave....

Look, it is undeniable that the girl showed really poor judgement...

But that fact in no way shape or form justified what was done to her, (let alone that she somehow "deserved it") or to any extent whatsoever mitigates the criminal culpability of the perpetrators.

[Gob]

Since they were convicted and sentenced the idea of private vengeance is moot.

Except for the s stupid.

yrs,
rubato

Never coming out again are they?

Idiot....

[oldr_n_wsr]

They can be held until they are 21. Chances are they will be released in a year or two for one of them. In the mean time, those that covered up or just stood beside and allowed this to happen (and took the pictures/video) should be persecuted, prosecuted and delt with.
If it was my daughter, i would be in jail or dead by now.

[Gob]

All kinds of wrong CNN

[kristina]

Where were the adults (who presumably were the parents of the teenagers who "hosted" the parties) while all this was going on?

[dgs49]

Jimmy, I don't understand your point. I am not disputing that what they did was "rape" under the Ohio statute; what I'm pointing out is that to a person unfamiliar with the statute - and in particular a teenage football player - they didn't "rape" the girl. In the common understanding of the term, a rape would only have occurred if they had done the old in-and-out with her inert body. There is no evidence that they did that.

[Daisy]

It doesn't matter that THEY didn't think they raped her... The fact is they did. And even if they didn't think it was rape they damn well knew it was wrong, wronger than anything I could imagine.

If it was YOUR teenage daughter I'm damned sure you'd want these boys prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[Lord Jim]

In the common understanding of the term, a rape would only have occurred if they had done the old in-and-out with her inert body.

Davey, are you suggesting that if they had shoved their penises into the mouth of the unconscious girl, or if they had penetrated her vaginally (or anally) with a foreign object, (say, a broom handle) that this would not have constituted "rape"?

That would seem to be a logical extrapolation from your, " a rape would only have occurred if they had done the old in-and-out with her inert body" position....

If so, I would submit that your "common understanding of the term" is far from common....

[Crackpot]

It only counts if it was missionary position and both parties were fertile (and of the opposite sex)

[Lord Jim]

Where were the adults (who presumably were the parents of the teenagers who "hosted" the parties) while all this was going on?

Kristina, I was wondering the same thing...(Though I remember that back in the That 70's Show days when I was a teen, parents tended to make themselves scarce at "big" parties...)

This may help to address that question, (I understand one of the parties was at the home of the team's head coach) as well as who the Ohio AG may be looking at for additional charges:

Ohio Attorney Mike DeWine could target Steubenville football coach, host of party

Posted: 03/19/2013

By: ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS, Associated Press

COLUMBUS, Ohio - The head football coach at Steubenville High School and the owners of a house where an infamous 12-minute video was filmed could be investigated as Ohio prosecutors look into how adults responded to allegations of rape last year.

One day after a judge convicted two high school football players of raping the 16-year-old girl in August, Steubenville's top official said she welcomed a new, wide-ranging probe into possible wrongdoing connected with the rape.

The announcement of the guilty verdict was barely an hour old Sunday when state Attorney General Mike DeWine said he was continuing his investigation and would consider charges against anyone who failed to speak up after the summertime attack. That group could include other teens, parents, school officials and coaches for the high school's beloved football team, which has won nine state championships.

Authorities also said they won't put up with people harassing the accuser and took action Monday to prove it, arresting two girls suspected of threatening her well-being in Facebook and Twitter comments Sunday. The Jefferson County girls, ages 15 and 16, were being held in juvenile detention, [ ] Steubenville police Capt. Joel Walker said.

The older girl was charged with aggravated menacing for a tweet that threatened homicide and said "you ripped my family apart," according to the attorney general's office. A Facebook posting from the younger girl threatened the accuser with bodily harm, leading to a menacing charge, the office said.[/b][That's another aspect of this; the complete lack of empathy that a number of other girls had about what happened...this is also not new...teen girls have been vicious towards each other for a long time...what's new are all the venues they now have to express it...perhaps those two cooling their heels in Juvie will serve as a lesson to others on this score]

"These arrests, I hope, will end the harassment of the victim," DeWine said. "We are simply not going to tolerate this. Enough is enough."

The case brought international attention to the small city of 18,000 and led to allegations of a cover-up to protect the Steubenville High School football team.

According to trial testimony, one of the two football players said the coach knew about what happened and "took care of it."

The video, passed around widely online, depicted a student joking about the attack. "She is so raped right now," the boy says.

Investigators interviewed the owners of a Steubenville house where the video was filmed, which was also the same place a photograph was taken of the girl being carried by her ankles and wrists, DeWine's office confirmed Monday. That picture, Exhibit No. 1 at the trial, generated international outrage. There is no phone listing for the home.

Numerous students, including defendant Trenton Mays, referred to the girl as "dead" in text messages the night of the attacks, apparently in reference to her unconscious state. The girl, who acknowledged drinking, testified she had no memory of the assaults.

A grand jury will meet in mid-April to consider evidence gathered by investigators from dozens of interviews, including with the football program's 27 coaches,which include junior high, freshman and volunteer coaches,[27 coaches? Look, I love football as much as the next guy, but I'd be surprised to learn that there is a single team in the National Football League, with twenty seven coaches; including assistant coaches....what the hell is this podunk High School football team, in this podunk town, doing with twenty seven coaches???? that alone suggests a really unhealthy relationship between this community and its football team]

Text messages introduced at trial suggested the head coach was aware of the rape allegation early on. Reno Saccoccia "took care of it," Mays said in one text introduced by prosecutors.

DeWine said coaches are among officials required by state law to report suspected child abuse. Saccoccia has not commented.

Steubenville city manager Cathy Davison said residents want to see justice done, and the city will be better off going forward because of the wider investigation.

"Football is important in Steubenville, but I think overall if you looked at the community in and of itself, it's the education process, the moral fiber of our community, and the heritage of our community, that is even more important," Davison told The Associated Press.

Steubenville schools Superintendent Mike McVey released a statement Monday reiterating his position that the district was waiting until the trial ended to take action. He declined to address the grand jury investigation.

"What we've heard so far is deeply disturbing," McVey's statement said. "At this time, we believe it is important to allow the legal process to play out in court before we as a school district make any decisions or take action against any of the individuals involved with this case."

It's unclear what could happen to the school's sports programs if coaches were charged. Sanctions against teams or programs typically involve violations of rules related to playing, such as improper recruiting of student-athletes or playing ineligible athletes, said Tim Stried, spokesman for the Ohio High School Athletic Association.

"The incident that happened was not during a contest, was not even at school. No playing rules were violated, and it didn't have anything to do with eligibility or recruiting," Stried said.

Mays and Ma'Lik Richmond were charged with penetrating the West Virginia girl with their fingers, first in the back seat of a moving car after a mostly underage drinking party on Aug. 11, and then in the basement of a house.

Mays, 17, and Richmond, 16, were sentenced to at least a year in juvenile prison for the rapes. Mays was ordered

Read more: http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/state/ohio ... z2OETCaSup

[Joe Guy]

Jimmy, I don't understand your point. I am not disputing that what they did was "rape" under the Ohio statute; what I'm pointing out is that to a person unfamiliar with the statute - and in particular a teenage football player - they didn't "rape" the girl. In the common understanding of the term, a rape would only have occurred if they had done the old in-and-out with her inert body. There is no evidence that they did that.

Dgs49ey, I am not responding for Jimmy, I'm responding directly to one of the most stupid things I've ever read on the internet.

You are attempting to justify rape based on your opinion that the rapists didn't understand the definition of rape when they raped someone.

Do you seriously expect anyone to believe you actually have a law degree?

Maybe I've confused you with another idiot. Maybe you didn't claim that you have any kind of education.

You often demonstrate that you to have a natural ability to very clearly communicate your opinions.

It's unfortunate that those opinions are very thick-headed.

[Lord Jim]

I'm responding directly to one of the most stupid things I've ever read on the internet.

And you should take heed to that Davey....

Because Joe is saying that as a man who has been reading rubato's posts for more than a decade...

Where does that put your view on this?

[Lord Jim]

Dave, I have always been one that has rejected the idea that you're a "flipside rubato"...(you're a much better writer for starters...and you seem to have led a much more full life...) but with this type of stuff, you really do play into the hands of those who want to make that argument....