Suppose you asked a question: "Irrespective of whether you believe in Father Christmas, what would you ask Santa for?"
Would it be fair to then conclude that anyone who mentioned anything they would like (an iPad, new shoes, chocolate) therefore "believed in Santa"?
Well, if you are a Church of England spin-doctor then, amazingly, you would indeed conclude that. The CofE asked ICM to conduct a poll asking "Irrespective of whether you currently pray or not, if you were to pray for something at the moment, what would it be for?". Lots of people answered world peace, an end to poverty, a family member, etc.
And the CofE counted them all up and announced: "Four out of five British adults believe in the power of prayer". Gob-smacked! Intellectual honesty is really not a Christian strong point.
http://www.churchofengland.org/media-ce ... ower-of-pr...
COE desperation sets in
COE desperation sets in
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Re: COE desperation sets in
The sooner all churches are disestablished everywhere the better.
"The dildo of consequence rarely comes lubed." -- Eileen Rose
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
Re: COE desperation sets in
I wonder if someone pointed out the logical fallacy?
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Re: COE desperation sets in
"The dildo of consequence rarely comes lubed." -- Eileen Rose
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
Re: COE desperation sets in
LOL!! 
Honestly, you'd expect more honesty from the church!

Honestly, you'd expect more honesty from the church!
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Re: COE desperation sets in
I think he is referring to the link, yers is dead...
Sometimes it seems as though one has to cross the line just to figger out where it is
Re: COE desperation sets in
Yep, got that...
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
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Re: COE desperation sets in
A long and happy and fulfilling life for my children, my nieces and nephews and their offspring."Irrespective of whether you believe in Father Christmas, what would you ask Santa for?"
I fear that is not in their future
