Warning: A Promite vs Vegemite vs Marmite thread...

[Sean]

So by your logic real butter and I Can't Believe it's not Butter are the same thing...

[Econoline]

Again, from the journal article I quoted before:

The taste of monosodium glutamate (MSG) by itself does not in any sense represent deliciousness. Instead, it is often described as unpleasant, and as bitter, salty or soapy (Yamaguchi, 1998; Halpern, 2000, 2002). However, when MSG is added in low concentrations to appropriate foods, the flavor, pleasantness and acceptability of the food increases (Halpern, 2000). These differences illustrate the distinction between the taste of a single tastant and the effects upon flavor of tastants in a food (Lawless, 1996).

http://chemse.oxfordjournals.org/content/27/9/845.full (Sorry, I forgot to post the link before.)

Umami is a taste. MSG is one of several chemical tastants which (when detected by the approprioate receptors on the human tongue) can produce that taste.

[Crackpot]

When it comes down to his irrational hate for all things not american (excepting Norwegian and Ethiopian) I really wonder how Rube missed out on getting his redneck credentials.

[Lord Jim]

Umami is a taste. MSG is one of several chemical tastants which (when detected by the approprioate receptors on the human tongue) can produce that taste.

Gee whiz, you'd think a real chemist would know the difference between those things...

This looks like this going to be one of those "free time is the defining characteristic of wealth" deals for rube, where no matter how deep a hole the evidence puts him in, he just can't bring himself to stop digging...

I really wonder how Rube missed out on getting his redneck credentials.

Rube lacks the intellectual depth to be a redneck....(Which says something...)

[Gob]

Umami is one of the five basic tastes, together with sweet, sour, bitter and salty. A loanword from the Japanese (うま味?), umami can be translated "pleasant savory taste".[4] This particular writing was chosen by Professor Kikunae Ikeda from umai (うまい) "delicious" and mi (味) "taste". The kanji 旨味 are used for a more general meaning to describe a food as delicious.

Monosodium glutamate, also known as sodium glutamate or MSG, is the sodium salt of glutamic acid, one of the most abundant naturally occurring non-essential amino acids. Pure MSG does not have a pleasant taste until it is combined with a consonant savory smell

How dumb is he?

[rubato]

Sweet = sugar
Sour = acid
Bitter = base
salt = salt
Umami = sodium glutamate


How stupid are all of you?

Pure MSG is not palatable
Pure acid is not palatable
Pure base is not palatable
pure salt is not palatable
pure sugar appears to be the exception in this series.



yrs,
rubato

[oldr_n_wsr]

Pure MSG is not palatable
Pure acid is not palatable
Pure base is not palatable
pure salt is not palatable
pure sugar appears to be the exception in this series.

Uh DUH!!!!!
The chemical makeup not withstanding. Has anyone here ever taken a teaspoon of pure (pick from the above?).
Too much is too much, not enough is not enough. Find your taste limit and be satisfied. Otherwise choose a new resturant/recipe.

I am not a sugar person, I prefer my coffee black, my iced tea unsweetened, but I do like the salt flavor. Others my think I have crazy taste buds as they preefer the sweeter things. That's ok, it's called personal taste.

[Big RR]

Sweet = sugar
Sour = acid
Bitter = base
salt = salt
Umami = sodium glutamate


How stupid are all of you?

Pure MSG is not palatable
Pure acid is not palatable
Pure base is not palatable
pure salt is not palatable
pure sugar appears to be the exception in this series.



yrs,
rubato

Come on, "pure", which I presume means unadulterated, acetic and citric acids are palatable, as is salt to many people. I can't think of a base that people would find desirable, but it wouldn't suprise me if at least one such exists as well. Most people prefer some of these tastes as some sort of adjuvant, to enhance the flavor of the food it is mixed with, but others love those tastes for themselves.

[Lord Jim]

[Guinevere]

Gag -- I hate peanut butter, unless its in a reeses cup, or for the two PBJ sandwiches I have a year.

You're the first person I've known that hates peanut butter. I don't like jelly on peanut butter and can't figure out why other people do. It's like adding sugar to coffee. That indicates that you don't like the flavor of it.

Adding Marmite to peanut putter might be a bit different though because it might enhance rather than mask the peanut flavor.

I don't like the flavor of it -- I think peanuts are yuccky, and I'm not a huge fan of any kind of nut (although I love pecan pie and spicy thai peanut sauce, and will occasionally eat some cashews). I also generally prefer savory to sweet, but if I'm eating nuts, the sweeter the better (aka pecan pie or reeses cups or jelly with my PB).

For the record, I don't put sugar in my coffee -- ugh -- sweet coffee is awful!

[dales]

How stupid are all of you?




yrs,
rubato

Ignorance is bliss, my dear friend.

[Lord Jim]

Then rube must be happier than a witch in a broom factory....

[Scooter]

I don't like jelly on peanut butter and can't figure out why other people do. It's like adding sugar to coffee. That indicates that you don't like the flavor of it.

Eating a ham and cheese sandwich doesn't mean you don't like the flavour of ham (or cheese), it means you like the flavour of both and, more specifically, you like the way that combining them brings out the flavour of both. Same with PB&J.

[Joe Guy]

I don't like jelly on peanut butter and can't figure out why other people do. It's like adding sugar to coffee. That indicates that you don't like the flavor of it.

Eating a ham and cheese sandwich doesn't mean you don't like the flavour of ham (or cheese), it means you like the flavour of both and, more specifically, you like the way that combining them brings out the flavour of both. Same with PB&J.

It is obviously a matter of taste. I like strawberry jam and I like peanut butter. Mixing them together doesn't result in a better flavor for me as it does when I add cheese to a hamburger or another meat. Jelly and peanut butter compete with each other and mixing the two together makes neither flavor enjoyable.

It's like adding sugar to coffee or drinking any of those Starbucks coffee preparations. You end up with something that has a hint of coffee added to a bunch of sweet and fatty flavors.

The only thing that complements the flavor of peanut butter, in my opinion, is chocolate. Neither of those two flavors overwhelm the other and the result is a full robust uncompetitive flavor.

That's how it is for me anyway...

[oldr_n_wsr]

I always thought earwax and shoe polish were the best tasting combination.

[Econoline]

I generally like peanut butter better without jam or jelly than with. I've had Marmite together with peanut butter and I like it; I suspect you will too, Joe.

[Joe Guy]

I generally like peanut butter better without jam or jelly than with. I've had Marmite together with peanut butter and I like it; I suspect you will too, Joe.

Sounds good, Econo. I'm going to try it later today.

Oldr's suggestion of ear wax and shoe polish gives me an idea. If I can figure out how to produce a lot of ear wax I might be able to market a polish and an organic wax for shoes. I supposed I could also market an organic car wax also.

I think I'm on to something...

[oldr_n_wsr]

I seem to have an over abundance of ear wax. I'll start saving it for you.

[Joe Guy]

I seem to have an over abundance of ear wax. I'll start saving it for you.

Thanks, oldr!

Let me know when you have about a quart saved and then I'll give you my address.

[Gob]

What exactly is umami...



What is umami?

Taking its name from Japanese, umami is a pleasant savory taste imparted by glutamate, a type of amino acid, and ribonucleotides, including inosinate and guanylate, which occur naturally in many foods including meat, fish, vegetables and dairy products. As the taste of umami itself is subtle and blends well with other tastes to expand and round out flavors, most people don't recognize umami when they encounter it, but it plays an important role making food taste delicious.


How to write umami in Japanese?

うま味 is the collect way of writing in Japanese to deliver the definition of WHAT is UMAMI. There is the other way to pronounce UMAMI, 旨味. This word has broader meaning to express deliciousness. Dr. Kikunae Ikeda, who discovered umami in 1908, named this fifth taste as umami and chose うま味 not but 旨味 to make apart two meanings.


Do you have specific umami score of natural ingredients?

Please visit our website at Umami Rich Food where you can get glutamate scores of dozens of natural ingredients. Please note the score varies by individual specificity.


Where can I buy umami?

Umami is the fifth taste which exists in various natural ingredients. Meanwhile, there are a wide range of products which present umami. e.g. umami seasoning (Monosodium Glutamate, MSG)


What is difference between umami and MSG?

Even though the　glutamate　in　MSG　and　in　umami-rich　ingredients　are　the　same,　MSG　is　a chemical　flavor　enhancer　and umami is savory taste derived from natural occurring glutamates like tomatoes, cheese and cured hams.