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Can SWAT not think out of the box???

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Gunman holding firefighters killed; 4 hostages OK

By JOHNNY CLARK and PHILLIP LUCAS, Associated PressUpdated: April 10, 2013 11:35pm

SUWANEE, Ga. (AP) — An armed man who was having financial problems held four firefighters for hours in a suburban Atlanta home, demanding his cable and power be turned back on, before being shot dead when SWAT members stormed the house, authorities said Wednesday. The hostages had cuts and bruises from explosions that officers set off to distract the gunman before moving in, but they will be fine, a fire official said.

Minutes before the police announcement on the resolution, a huge blast could be heard a quarter-mile away from the home, shuddering through the Suwanee neighborhood, setting off car alarms.

Earlier Wednesday, five firefighters responded to what seemed like a routine medical call and were eventually taken hostage by an unidentified suspect inside the house, police said. The gunman released one of the firefighters to move a fire truck but held the other four.

Dozens of police and rescue vehicles surrounded the home and a negotiator was keeping in touch with the gunman, police said. The situation remained tense until the blast rocked the neighborhood of mostly two-story homes and well-kept lawns. Residents unable to get into their neighborhood because of the police cordon flinched and recoiled as the enormous blast went off.

Soon after the stun blast, officers exchanged gunfire with the suspect and a SWAT member was shot in the hand or arm, but should be fine, said Gwinnett County Police Cpl. Edwin Ritter. Ritter would not saw how the gunman was fatally shot, saying it was being investigated.

"The explosion you heard was used to distract the suspect, to get into the house and take care of business," Ritter said in a news conference minutes after the resolution. He said the situation had gotten to the point where authorities believed the lives of the hostages were in "immediate danger."

The gunman, who has not been identified, demanded several utilities be restored, Ritter said. According to public records, the home is in foreclosure and has been bank-owned since mid-November.

"It's an unfortunate circumstance we did not want to end this way," Ritter said. "But with the decisions this guy was making, this was his demise."

Firefighters were able to use their radios to let the dispatch center know what was going on, said Fire Capt. Tommy Rutledge said, and Ritter said officials decided to "get control of the situation" and do it swiftly.

The incident occurred about 35 miles northeast of Atlanta, in the Interstate 85 corridor, and Rutledge said the initial medical call seemed routine and firefighters did not believe there was any danger. One engine and one ambulance responded. Ritter said authorities didn't yet know if the suspect may have faked a heart attack or some other problem to bring the firefighters to his home.

"Our firefighters responded to a call they respond to hundreds of times, and that's a medical emergency," Rutledge said.

Two ambulances could be seen leaving after the gunfire ended.

Asked what kind of weapon or weapons the suspect had, Ritter said he didn't immediately know. He said investigators were in the house where the suspect's body remained.

A spokeswoman for Gwinnett Medical Center said Wednesday night that five firefighters and a police officer were treated at the hospital and all were in good condition. A couple firefighters had already been released, and it was expected that all of the firefighters would be going home Wednesday night.

"In talking to the firefighters and their families just now, they're relieved," the fire department's Rutledge said Wednesday evening at the same briefing, according to video posted by WSB-TV. "They're simply relieved that the situation is over, that their family members are with them and that they're safe."

This was the second time in recent months that firefighters have been targeted.

On Dec. 24, a man in upstate New York set his house ablaze and shot and killed two firefighters as they arrived, then himself. Two other firefighters and a police officer were wounded.

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What the police should have done was have the utilities restored, which very possibly would have gotten the firefighters released. Then they could have dealt with the man directly with far less potential for injury or death.

Instead, in their infinite wisdom, they decided to set off an explosion, which probably damaged the hostage firefighter's ears and more, while putting them at risk of being caught in the crossfire.

And then of course they killed the poor guy who was losing his house and obviously not acting rationally. But he could have been talked out of the situation if turning on the utilities resulted in released hostages. It should have at least been attempted before initiating a brutal attack, which put the firefighter's lives at risk and ensured that someone would be hurt or killed.

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Welcome to the New America, Joe.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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Joe, apparently they did get all that stuff turned back on...

(The poorly written AP article just doesn't bother to mention that little detail)

Here's an article with more complete information:
SUWANEE, Ga. When a gunman took four firefighters hostage in his Georgia home, police tried to buy time and create a rapport by meeting his initial demands. But when his demands became unreasonable and negotiations seemed to go nowhere, police said, officers stormed the house and killed him after he fired on them.

Authorities on Thursday provided new details on Wednesday's hostage-taking north of Atlanta, including how the suspect — 55-year-old Lauren Brown — lured firefighters to his home.

Meanwhile, some who knew Brown said he'd suffered from disabling medical problems and was struggling financially, and that he had lived across the street from his ex-wife and her new family.

Gwinnett County Police Chief Charles Walters said Brown called 911 complaining of chest pains Wednesday afternoon, and five Gwinnett County firefighters arrived at 3:48 p.m., believing it was a routine call. Brown was lying in bed and appeared to be suffering from a condition that left him unable to move. But when they approached the bed to help him, he pulled out a handgun, Walters said.

Brown told his hostages he had spent weeks planning the ambush and targeted firefighters rather than police officers so he wouldn't be shot, Walters said. Investigators found half a dozen guns in his house.

One of Brown's first demands was to move the fire truck and ambulance from in front of his house, and he released one firefighter to accomplish that, police said.

Next he asked that power be restored to his house, which was in foreclosure; that his cellphone be reactivated; and that his cable and Internet service be turned back on. Police checked and learned that those services had all been deactivated due to non-payment. They worked with the utilities and companies to get them turned back on.


Then Brown asked for a meal to be brought in from a fast-food seafood restaurant for him and his hostages. But he had also asked police to bring tools and wood and to board up the windows and doors of his house from the outside.

"That was the one we couldn't realistically meet," Gwinnett police Cpl. Jake Smith said, adding that they didn't want to fortify Brown inside with the hostages.


Instead, a SWAT officer carrying the food approached the house in Suwanee, about 35 miles northeast of Atlanta.

Other SWAT members set off a stun blast to distract Brown and stormed the house. Police said Brown opened fire on the first officer as he entered the bedroom. The man was hit in the left arm by one of the shots, but managed to return fire, killing Brown. Before Brown fired, police told him to drop his weapon, Walters said.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-575 ... ompromise/
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Thanks Jim.

That's what I get for not checking enough sources. I actually read a few articles about this case but none of them revealed what you found.

So, I guess they did the right thing, which is what I would have ordered had I been in charge... :D

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Sounds like a good outcome (minus the SWAT guy getting shot).
Sorry, don't have much sympathy for the man who started it. Lots of people are being forclosed on, very few (if any others) take it to this extreme.
SWAT has to do what SWAT has to do to neutralize the situation.

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