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oldr_n_wsr wrote:I thought the Monarch(y) was a butterfly that commutes from north America to Mexico each fall.

this place is stinking with monarchys in the winter:

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Yes, Charles should step aside. And so should William. And so should everyone else in line for the throne.
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Andrew D wrote:Yes, Charles should step aside. And so should William. And so should everyone else in line for the throne.
Why? We know your position, what's the basis for it? Isn't it up to the people of the Kingdom? Isn't that what Scotland is working on right now?
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No, whether Charles declines the crown is not up to the people of the kingdom; it is up to Charles.

No, whether William declines the crown is not up to the people of the kingdom; it is up to William.

It is, of course, up to the people of the kingdom whether to abolish the monarchy over Charles's and William's objections -- should they choose to object -- but it is not up to the people of the kingdom to force on anyone a crown which he or she does not want.
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I suggest that the next coronation be conducted in the nude...
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LOL :lol:

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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So how do you feel about the remnant monarchies in Denmark, Norway, Holland, Belgium ?

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I'm surprised Andrew is so concerned about the limited , mainly ceremonial roles of Prince Charles in the UK when;
Liechtenstein and Monaco are constitutional monarchies in which the Prince retains many powers of an absolute monarch.

and;
The Islamic monarchs of Bahrain, Brunei, Jordan, Kuwait, Malaysia, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates generally retain far more powers than their European or Commonwealth counterparts.
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My openining posting was triggered by the article which I quoted and linked. That article does not concern monarchies in Bahrain, Belgium, Brunei, Denmark, Jordan, Kuwait, Liechtenstein, Malaysia, Monaco, Morocco, the Netherlands, Norway, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, or the United Arab Emirates.

All monarchies should eventually be abolished.

Abolition of the British monarchy would not cause any disruption in the government's ability to do its job. Therefore, it should be abolished at the time of the next would-be succession.

I cannot say that of the other countries mentioned, because I know little about how the respective monarchies function in those respective countries. Those monarchies should be abolished when functional representative democracies render them unnecessary. In the UK, that time has long since passed.
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rubato wrote:
oldr_n_wsr wrote:I thought the Monarch(y) was a butterfly that commutes from north America to Mexico each fall.

this place is stinking with monarchys in the winter:

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natural bridges state park

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Thanks for that
It's amazing that Monarchs born here, know to go there every fall. I would often see bunches of them sometimes 50 at a time, pretty high up in the sky heading southwest in late sept early oct. although not so many the last two years. :(

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Monarchs in the eastern US go to Mexico. Monarchs in the western US winter over at a number of sites along the pacific coast. Santa Cruz and Pacific Grove are two sites. Some are not publicized. The generation which returns is separated by several generations from the one who started the migration back north. An amazing feat.



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rubato wrote:Monarchs in the eastern US go to Mexico. Monarchs in the western US winter over at a number of sites along the pacific coast. Santa Cruz and Pacific Grove are two sites. Some are not publicized. The generation which returns is separated by several generations from the one who started the migration back north. An amazing feat.



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I knew they went to Mexico, I did not know about the "western" wintering spot.
Thanks again

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Andrew D wrote: Abolition of the British monarchy would not cause any disruption in the government's ability to do its job. Therefore, it should be abolished at the time of the next would-be succession.

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But the article you linked to was not about the abolition of the monarchy, but about the unsuitability of Charles to take the throne. That's something I, not a fervent monarchist, agree with. Even I think it would be far better for the country, and also the monarchy, for William to succeed over his father.

I have to say I do not see any gain for the USA in whether the UK has or has not a monarchy, I think you have far more important issues closer to home, why vex yourself about it?

If we are happy, and we do no harm by having our first family, why should it bother you?
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It always tickles me that so many Americans have such strong views on the abition of the monarchy. Much stronger than many of the Queen's subjects.

Does anybody know why this is?
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Some people just need something to bitch about
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Gob wrote:
Andrew D wrote: Abolition of the British monarchy would not cause any disruption in the government's ability to do its job. Therefore, it should be abolished at the time of the next would-be succession.

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But the article you linked to was not about the abolition of the monarchy, but about the unsuitability of Charles to take the throne. That's something I, not a fervent monarchist, agree with. Even I think it would be far better for the country, and also the monarchy, for William to succeed over his father.

I have to say I do not see any gain for the USA in whether the UK has or has not a monarchy, I think you have far more important issues closer to home, why vex yourself about it?

If we are happy, and we do no harm by having our first family, why should it bother you?
I asked him "why" and got no response.
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Sean wrote:It always tickles me that so many Americans have such strong views on the abition of the monarchy. Much stronger than many of the Queen's subjects.

Does anybody know why this is?
Well, I suppose I'm one of those with strong views, as I find the concepts of monarchy and aristocracy viscerally revolting. And it's precisely because I'm an American.
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I'm an American with strong views on the abolition of The British Monarchy...

I'm strongly opposed to abolishing it.
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Lord Jim wrote:I'm an American with strong views on the abolition of The British Monarchy...

I'm strongly opposed to abolishing it.
Oh, so as to stand as a cautionary example to other peoples of the world. Good idea.
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Sean wrote:It always tickles me that so many Americans have such strong views on the abition of the monarchy. Much stronger than many of the Queen's subjects.

Does anybody know why this is?
Yes
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