EU 'uman rights affects US too

[Gob]

Terror suspect and Broadmoor patient Haroon Aswat, the trusted lieutenant of radical cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri, has won his legal battle to avoid being kicked out of Britain.

The extremist's proposed extradition to the United States would breach his human rights, the European Court of Human Rights ruled today.




Aswat, who claims to be a schizophrenic, is wanted by the U.S. authorities for plotting to set up a jihadi training camp in Bly, Oregon.

He had claimed that the jail term he might face in America – up to 50 years without parole – breached Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which bans ‘inhuman or degrading treatment’.

Today a Strasbourg court said they agreed with him because he has mental health problems.

Aswat had faced being sent to the Colorado Supermax prison, which is surrounded by desert, and known as the 'Alcatraz of the Rockies'.

It is home to 400 of America's most dangerous convicts, where they live in a cramped cell measuring 12ft by 7ft.

Hamza and four other terror suspects were extradited last year after the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) rejected their appeal against the move - but Aswat's case was adjourned to allow judges more time to consider his mental health.

Aswat, who was born in 1974 and is being treated for schizophrenia, claims that if he is extradited and convicted in the US he would be at risk of ill-treatment inside the so-called supermax prison ADX Florence, in Colorado.

The Strasbourg court published its decision today after it adjourned the case last April to obtain further submissions on the relevance of his schizophrenia to his claim.

Last year, the ECHR ruled that five men including Hamza would not face ill treatment if they were extradited to the US.

Hamza, Babar Ahmad, Seyla Talha Ahsan, Adel Abdul Bary and Khaled Al-Fawwaz were all removed from the country.

Hamza, who was serving a seven-year sentence in Britain for soliciting to murder and inciting racial hatred when he was extradited, has denied 11 counts of criminal conduct related to the taking of 16 hostages in Yemen in 1998 and advocating violent jihad in Afghanistan in 2001.

He is also accused of conspiring to establish the Oregon-based jihad training camp between June 2000 and December 2001. Aswat was indicted as Hamza's 'co-conspirator' but will now stay in Britain

[Lord Jim]

So, the UK's involvement with the EU means that this pan-European international "European Court of Human Rights" that is not in any way accountable to the citizens of Great Britain, can over rule the decisions of the British judicial system...

Well here's the good news...

Decisions like this will help to fatten the majority vote in favor of withdrawal from the EU when the referendum is held...

[Gob]

Good point, well made.

[Lord Jim]

It seems to me that rather than fretting over The Monarchy, (which represents no threat to British Democracy) the British people should be focused on the unaccountable Tyranny Of Brussels, which represents a clear and present danger to self governance....

(Note: I originally added this part in my previous post, after Strop agreed with it, so just in case he didn't agree with this addendum, I deleted it from that post and put it in a new one)

[Lord Jim]

I don't think it will come as surprise to anyone, that I have an enormous amount of affinity for, and affection towards, The United Kingdom...

Not just because half of my lineage springs from that Sceptered Isle, but also because of the close "I've got your back" relationship we have enjoyed for nearly a hundred years...(I'm the guy who has been flying The Union Jack along with The Stars and Stripes out in front of his house for more than a dozen years...in a neighborhood with a lot of Irish.... )

I am an unabashed, and unapologetic anglophile...

And I firmly believe that the best thing this country can do for itself to fend off the appeal of the neo-facists, and preserve its democracy is:



It's time for Mr. Cameron to hold the referendum vote he promised...

[dales]

UK out of EU amd US out of UN!

[Lord Jim]

UK out of EU amd US out of UN!

Well, that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish Dale...

The UN has a lot of flaws and limitations, but at least it doesn't have a court that can over rule our Supreme Court...

We'd never put up with that sort of thing....

And neither should the Brits...

[dales]

The UN is trying very hard to rob the US of its soverignity(sp).

[Gob]

Mustafa Abdi, a Somali national who was jailed for eight years in 1998 for rape and indecency with a child, was unlawfully detained for two-and-a-half years as he awaited deportation, the European Courts of Human Rights has said.

The Strasbourg court said this was a breach of Article 5 - his right to liberty and security - and has ordered the UK Government to pay 1,500 euros (£1,277) in damages and 7,000 euros (£5,960) for his lawyers' costs and expenses.

Even the latest case is not entirely unique. In January this year, the court awarded damages to a 58-year-old Brit who raped a young teenager after forcing her to drink alcohol. The ECHR ruled that a 13month delay between the end of his minimum term and first parole hearing was a breach of the convict's right to a speedy hearing.

[Lord Jim]

Mustafa Abdi, a Somali national who was jailed for eight years in 1998 for rape and indecency with a child, was unlawfully detained for two-and-a-half years as he awaited deportation, the European Courts of Human Rights has said.

The Strasbourg court said this was a breach of Article 5 - his right to liberty and security - and has ordered the UK Government to pay 1,500 euros (£1,277) in damages and 7,000 euros (£5,960) for his lawyers' costs and expenses.

Even the latest case is not entirely unique. In January this year, the court awarded damages to a 58-year-old Brit who raped a young teenager after forcing her to drink alcohol. The ECHR ruled that a 13month delay between the end of his minimum term and first parole hearing was a breach of the convict's right to a speedy hearing.

And with every incident like this, the BNP and their ilk get more supporters...



UK OUT OF THE EU NOW!

[Econoline]

The UN is trying very hard to rob the US of its soverignity(sp).

Well, since the U.S. has a veto over whatever they do, I don't think there's much chance of that happening.

The worst that can be said is that the U.N. wastes a lot of money (and time). As long as it occasionally also does some good (which I think it does) and as long as it doesn't waste too much of our money (and you have to use the fact that our defense budget is more than that of the next 13 countries--China, Russia, the U.K., France, Japan, India, Saudi Arabia, Germany, Brazil, South Korea, Australia, and Canada--*COMBINED* as a reference for that evaluation) then we should remain part of it and continue to help control it.

[Lord Jim]

The UN is trying very hard to rob the US of its soverignity(sp).

Well, you and Steve can keep an eagle eye out for those black helicopters....

The challenge the British are facing regarding their sovereignty is a little more tangible...

There's no comparison between the EU and the UN, in terms of the kind of authority they wield over their members...

[Lord Jim]

In any event, we could have a discussion about the UN in another thread...

I thought this thread was about the EU and it's impact on Britain...

[dales]

AGREED.....I feel a bit cranky today.

Unlike Steve (who I believe was locked into a vision of hellish 1984ish paranoia(sp)....I am flexible in my thinking and will always listen to competing viewpoints. That's why I post here.

[Gob]

You're a good man dales.

[dales]

thx, Gob

[Lord Jim]

You're a good man dales.

X2

[Sean]

(I'm the guy who has been flying The Union Jack along with The Stars and Stripes out in front of his house for more than a dozen years...in a neighborhood with a lot of Irish.... ).

Tut, tut Jim... You fly the Union Flag. It's only called the Union Jack when it's flown on board a ship.

[Lord Jim]

Ahem...

Apparently the terms are used interchangeably, without regard to "ships"...

And I have a very good source for that:

The Union Flag, or Union Jack, is the national flag of the United Kingdom.

http://www.royal.gov.uk/MonarchUK/Symbo ... nJack.aspx

right back at you...

[oldr_n_wsr]

UK out of EU amd US out of UN!

How about the UN out of the US, valuable real estate where it sits now. Add in the cost of police and security and all the "missions" the various countries have all around the UN. Big savings in NY city.

Sorry
Back to UK out of the EU.
IIRC the UK does not use the euro, is that correct? How were they able to swing that one?