EU 'uman rights affects US too

[Lord Jim]

IIRC the UK does not use the euro, is that correct?

That is correct...

Makes it all the easier for them to lose the EU like a bad habit.

[rubato]

China would love to see the EU broken up. That way they can pick them off country by country like fat little ducks.

The world cannot thrive going forward without extra-national governmental organizations because too many of our problems are beyond the scope of one little country. To give only one sort of example; Without the International court in the Hague there would never be any threat of justice which could control the Charles Taylor's or Slobodan Milosevich's of the coming decade. A system of justice which is imperfect is a lot better than none at all.


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[Scooter]

There's the world of reality, and then there's the world where these sorts of articles are written. If you live in the former, then here is the text of the ruling, where you will notice that there are several difference from the hack job that was posted above.

To wit:

Aswat, who claims to be a schizophrenic,

Aswat does not "claim" to be schizophrenic. He was diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic, that diagnosis was accepted as accurate by the mental health tribunal that ordered his transfer from prison to a psychiatric hospital, and has never been challenged by any of the parties to his extradition case. So then why not just state it as a fact, 'Azwat is a paranoid schizophrenic', rather than trying to suggest that it is all some sort of ruse?

He had claimed that the jail term he might face in America – up to 50 years without parole – breached Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which bans ‘inhuman or degrading treatment’.

Today a Strasbourg court said they agreed with him because he has mental health problems.

More bullshit. In fact the Court categorically denied that the potential length of detention in this case could support a claim under Article 3 because it did not reach the level of "gross disproportionality" which is "a strict test which will only be met on 'rare and unique occasions'”.

Aswat, who was born in 1974 and is being treated for schizophrenia, claims that if he is extradited and convicted in the US he would be at risk of ill-treatment inside the so-called supermax prison ADX Florence, in Colorado.

They say it as if he is complaining that he won't get ice cream with his cake. It was a British court that ordered him transferred to psychiatric hospital because his condition could not be managed in a prison. It is not unreasonable in the slightest to question how well he can be treated within the confines of a supermax facility, where he would be in complete isolation for 23 hours a day. The U.S. government was given every opportunity to explain how Aswat's care could be managed in order to prevent relapse. Unfortunately, while providing a lot of florid generalities about how inmates with psychiatric disorders "might" be treated and how their condition "could" be taken into consideration in deciding where to place them, for whatever reason the government chose not make a simple declaration that this particular inmate would be housed in a facility that would be able to appropriately manage his schizophrenia. Considering how far the Court appears to have been willing to take the word of the U.S. government on faith, it is not surprising that they refused to grant extradition when presented with only platitudes without specifics.

The U.S. could have been granted this extradition. They lost because they refused to provide the scant information that would have been necessary to grant it. So perhaps you should save your indignation for your own DOJ, who completely dropped the ball.

[Long Run]

The U.S. could have been granted this extradition. They lost because they refused to provide the scant information that would have been necessary to grant it.

So you are on the Obama sucks bandwagon now

[Andrew D]

Are decisions of the European Court of Human Rights self-executing in the United Kingdom?

[rubato]

The instruments of human justice being highly imperfect in even the most desireable neighborhoods of the 1st world; I can't say that this decision offends the senses particularly. Certainly not enough to think that the EU is any worse judged and adjudicated than here (the US) or there (the UK).

Kenny-Boy Lay bought a governor and then a president who hurt the US worse than all of our enemies have collectively since 1947; and died peacefully at home without ever paying the price for that or his many other crimes.

I'd say that's worse. A lot worse.


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