A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of

[Gob]

A five-year-old boy who was playing with a .22 calibre rifle he'd been given as a gift accidentally shot and killed his two-year-old sister in their Kentucky home, officials say.

The shooting happened on Tuesday in rural Cumberland county and the little girl was rushed to a hospital where she was pronounced dead, the state police said.

Cumberland County Coroner Gary White identified the girl as Caroline Starks and said the children's mother was cleaning the house at the time and had stepped outside onto the porch.

"She said no more than three minutes had went by and she actually heard the rifle go off. She ran back in and found the little girl," White told WKYT news.

The rifle had been given to the boy last year and was kept in the corner of a room. The parents didn't realise a shell had been left in it.

"It's a Crickett," he told the Lexington Herald-Leader. "It's a little rifle for a kid. ...The little boy's used to shooting the little gun."

An autopsy was set to be conducted on Wednesday, but White said he expects the shooting will be ruled accidental.

"Just one of those crazy accidents," White said.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/crazy-accid ... z2S4yvXGbx

[Sean]

"Just one of those crazy accidents," White said.

I can imagine him saying that with a sort of, "Kids eh? What can you do"? Roll of the eyes.

Absolutely fucking mental! What kind of twunt gives a five year old a working gun?
Saying that, what kind of fucktard thinks it's reasonable to manufacture a working gun for a child that age?

[Gob]

Absolutely fucking mental! What kind of twunt gives a five year old a working gun?
Saying that, what kind of fucktard thinks it's reasonable to manufacture a working gun for a child that age?

Well you know Sean, without the right to arm five year olds the Government could do.... something... something or other... you know, nasty government stuff..... or maybe the commies could invade or something... Anyway, you're not free so WTF do you know?

[Crackpot]

I think you could/should charge those that got the kid the gun as well as those who let him keep it with reckless endangerment

[dales]

My old man had a friend who had one of these:



Martini-Enfield .303

He gave it to me when I was around 5.

The firing pin had been removed and I used to play with it (when I could lift it) as a kid.

When I was around 10, I begged my dad for a .22.....no way.........go figure.

These parents were just plain stupid:

ALWAYS ASSUME A FIREARM IS LOADED EVEN WHEN YOU KNOW IT ISN'T. CHECK IT AGAIN TO MAKE SURE!

[Sean]

ALWAYS ASSUME A FIREARM IS LOADED EVEN WHEN YOU KNOW IT ISN'T. CHECK IT AGAIN TO MAKE SURE!

Better still Dales... Don't give a firearm (loaded or unloaded) to a child!

[dales]

I had a fully-functioning military firearm (sans firing pin) no problem.

Many children in the USA are given their first .22 caliber rifles as children. Hopefully their parents aren't as stupid as these were.

Events such as this should have occurred thousands of times, but it has not.

[Liberty1]

Unfortunately, the image size isn't big enough for you to see how far down the stats firearms accidents are on this list. And they've been steadily declining since data started being collected in the 20s.

Freedom isn't free folks. As much of a tragedy as this is, and any of the other gun tragedies over the years, nothing really needs to be done, because nothing can be done.

The "Gun show loop hole" is a made up politicsal term referring to normal private sales of a legal item. This argument is a solution looking for a problem.

[Scooter]

What exactly about "freedom" obligates a moronic parent to give their 5 year old child a gun and allow him to play with it unsupervised?

I see poisoning is well up their on your list of fatal accidents. A parent who left poisonous substances around anywhere a child of 5 could pick them up and use them to kill himself or others would have been criminally charged. Any reason why the parent in this case should not be?

[Guinevere]

Oh for Christ's sake - the "we can't do anything" line is such a total bullshit cop out. I don't know about the rest of you poor little bleating lambs, but I've never been one to sit around and whine that it was all out if my control or abilities. Nothing is impossible. Everything can be changed.

[Sean]

Freedom isn't free folks. As much of a tragedy as this is, and any of the other gun tragedies over the years, nothing really needs to be done, because nothing can be done.

Wow. I'm only surprised you didn't mention 'making omelettes' and 'breaking eggs'...
That is the kind of utterly moronic comment that convinces me that people like you should never, ever be allowed near a firearm... or a child for that matter!
Nothing really needs to be done? Would you still be thinking (and I use the word in it's loosest sense) the same thing if this was a member of your own family?
You seem to believe (and please correct me if I've misunderstood you) that a dead child is a small price to pay for your precious freedoms...

Well done you! You and your ilk are the very reason that something needs to be done.

[oldr_n_wsr]

My nephew learned to shoot when he was young. He was also taught proper gun handling and safety. Guns are kept in locked safes in their house.
What can be done? Shoot the parents.
A gun should never be just "sitting in the corner".

[Econoline]

Ah, just a freak accident, right? Couldn't possibly happen AGAIN, could it?

Mountain Village Girl, 5, Fatally Shot by Brother
April 30, 2013|By Chris Klint | Channel 2 News

ANCHORAGE, Alaska — A 5-year-old Mountain Village girl died Monday afternoon in a shooting by her older brother, according to Alaska State Troopers.

A Tuesday AST dispatch says troopers from St. Mary's responded at about 2:20 p.m. Monday to the shooting.

“Investigation revealed that an 8-year-old boy was playing with a Ruger 10/22 (rifle) that he had used the day before to go hunting, when he shot his 5-year-old sister, killing her,” troopers wrote.

AST spokesperson Megan Peters says troopers can’t or won’t release many details about the shooting, which remains under investigation. She says the boy was unsupervised at the time of the incident.

“The boy was home, his 5-year-old sister came home and within the span of 15 minutes she was dead,” Peters said.

While troopers have notified the state Office of Children’s Services and the district attorney’s office, there isn’t any immediate word on actions taken by those agencies.

“It's too early to know whether charges are warranted against anybody,” Peters said.

Peters emphasizes that much of what troopers know about the shooting is preliminary, and asks the public not to rush to judgment on the case.

“There's no easy answer to it, and obviously no one thinks it's going to happen,” Peters said. “It's a very good opportunity to realize how much can go wrong in a very short time.”

The girl’s body will undergo an autopsy at the state medical examiner’s office.

[Rick]

Only honest God fearing folk have children that accidently shoot their siblings.

We never hear about the children of career criminals shooting each other accidently, they must be doing something right.

I think we should all learn a lesson from this...

[Joe Guy]

Only honest God fearing folk have children that accidently shoot their siblings.

We never hear about the children of career criminals shooting each other accidently, they must be doing something right.

I think we should all learn a lesson from this...

[Liberty1]

I forget how obtuse folks are here, you have to spoonfeed everything.

What exactly about "freedom" obligates a moronic parent to give their 5 year old child a gun and allow him to play with it unsupervised?
I see poisoning is well up their on your list of fatal accidents. A parent who left poisonous substances around anywhere a child of 5 could pick them up and use them to kill himself or others would have been criminally charged. Any reason why the parent in this case should not be?

Nothing, there are laws against child abuse and neglect already.

With the caveat, I started shooting, supervised, at age 5. I wouldn't call that "Playing" however.

Oh for Christ's sake - the "we can't do anything" line is such a total bullshit cop out. I don't know about the rest of you poor little bleating lambs, but I've never been one to sit around and whine that it was all out if my control or abilities. Nothing is impossible. Everything can be changed.

Changing things for change sake in never a good idea.

Life is not risk free, and you can't legislate away accidents or stupidity. That is what you can't change.

Try controlling your emotions, don't react to every instance of useless death.

Nothing really needs to be done? Would you still be thinking (and I use the word in it's loosest sense) the same thing if this was a member of your own family?
You seem to believe (and please correct me if I've misunderstood you) that a dead child is a small price to pay for your precious freedoms...

[Liberty1]

Wow. I'm only surprised you didn't mention 'making omelettes' and 'breaking eggs'...
That is the kind of utterly moronic comment that convinces me that people like you should never, ever be allowed near a firearm... or a child for that matter!
Nothing really needs to be done? Would you still be thinking (and I use the word in it's loosest sense) the same thing if this was a member of your own family?
You seem to believe (and please correct me if I've misunderstood you) that a dead child is a small price to pay for your precious freedoms...

ALong with my points in the post above, yes, part of my point is in a free society, shit happens. For instance Sandy Hook, a terrible tragedy. But until you start locking up crazies, which ain't gonna happen, these things will occur.

Murder is already illegal.

So a crazy went to a gun free zone, with a gun.....duh.

[Scooter]

A crazy who wouldn't have had access to a gun if he mommy didn't maintain a small armoury in her home unsecured. If she had been the only victim my response would have been "serves her right" and if she hadn't been killed she should have been tried for multiple counts of murder, because her irresponsibility makes her responsible as her son for those deaths. If not more, because she was in her right mind and he was not.

There is no rational reason why anyone needs that kind of firepower, and if she had owned only one gun that held a max of 10 bullets, the history of Sandy Hook would have played out much differently, if at all.

[Liberty1]

A crazy who wouldn't have had access to a gun if he mommy didn't maintain a small armoury in her home unsecured. If she had been the only victim my response would have been "serves her right" and if she hadn't been killed she should have been tried for multiple counts of murder, because her irresponsibility makes her responsible as her son for those deaths. If not more, because she was in her right mind and he was not.

There is no rational reason why anyone needs that kind of firepower, and if she had owned only one gun that held a max of 10 bullets, the history of Sandy Hook would have played out much differently, if at all.

First, what law would you pass that would have prevented this, certainly the US POTUS and congress have no clue.

Second, who are you to define how much firepower anyone should have. Should the police have it? The military?

10 bullets is a totally stupid argument. This was a gun free zone, he had relatively, all day.

Do you know anything at all about guns?

[Scooter]

First, what law would you pass that would have prevented this, certainly the US POTUS and congress have no clue.

Restrictions on type of guns that can be owned, restrictions on number of weapons that can be owned, restrictions on magazine size, background checks that would prevent someone cohabiting with known crazies to own any gun at all. For a start.

Second, who are you to define how much firepower anyone should have.

I am someone who, unlike you, believes that human life has value.

10 bullets is a totally stupid argument. This was a gun free zone, he had relatively, all day.

Several children were able to escape as he was reloading. Apparently you would have preferred that they had been killed. If he had to stop and reload more frequently, fewer children would have died. That is, if he would have contemplated doing the deed at all if he only had one gun that fired 10 bullets at a time. That probably wouldn't have given him enough confidence to even try.

Do you know anything at all about guns?

They can be used to kill people. Anything else you believe I should know that is relevant?

Your desire to run around pretending to be Rambo doesn't take precedence over human life.