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Before Krugman's Brain Turned to Mush

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Just for fun...it's a little long, but refreshing to know that he wasn't always a flack for the progressive whores in Washington.

In Praise of Cheap Labor
Bad jobs at bad wages are better than no jobs at all.

By Paul Krugman

For many years a huge Manila garbage dump known as Smokey Mountain was a favorite media symbol of Third World poverty. Several thousand men, women, and children lived on that dump--enduring the stench, the flies, and the toxic waste in order to make a living combing the garbage for scrap metal and other recyclables. And they lived there voluntarily, because the $10 or so a squatter family could clear in a day was better than the alternatives.

The squatters are gone now, forcibly removed by Philippine police last year as a cosmetic move in advance of a Pacific Rim summit. But I found myself thinking about Smokey Mountain recently, after reading my latest batch of hate mail.

The occasion was an op-ed piece I had written for the New York Times, in which I had pointed out that while wages and working conditions in the new export industries of the Third World are appalling, they are a big improvement over the "previous, less visible rural poverty." I guess I should have expected that this comment would generate letters along the lines of, "Well, if you lose your comfortable position as an American professor you can always find another job--as long as you are 12 years old and willing to work for 40 cents an hour."

Such moral outrage is common among the opponents of globalization--of the transfer of technology and capital from high-wage to low-wage countries and the resulting growth of labor-intensive Third World exports. These critics take it as a given that anyone with a good word for this process is naive or corrupt and, in either case, a de facto agent of global capital in its oppression of workers here and abroad.

But matters are not that simple, and the moral lines are not that clear. In fact, let me make a counter-accusation: The lofty moral tone of the opponents of globalization is possible only because they have chosen not to think their position through. While fat-cat capitalists might benefit from globalization, the biggest beneficiaries are, yes, Third World workers.

After all, global poverty is not something recently invented for the benefit of multinational corporations. Let's turn the clock back to the Third World as it was only two decades ago (and still is, in many countries). In those days, although the rapid economic growth of a handful of small Asian nations had started to attract attention, developing countries like Indonesia or Bangladesh were still mainly what they had always been: exporters of raw materials, importers of manufactures. Inefficient manufacturing sectors served their domestic markets, sheltered behind import quotas, but generated few jobs. Meanwhile, population pressure pushed desperate peasants into cultivating ever more marginal land or seeking a livelihood in any way possible--such as homesteading on a mountain of garbage.

Given this lack of other opportunities, you could hire workers in Jakarta or Manila for a pittance. But in the mid-'70s, cheap labor was not enough to allow a developing country to compete in world markets for manufactured goods. The entrenched advantages of advanced nations--their infrastructure and technical know-how, the vastly larger size of their markets and their proximity to suppliers of key components, their political stability and the subtle-but-crucial social adaptations that are necessary to operate an efficient economy--seemed to outweigh even a tenfold or twentyfold disparity in wage rates.

And then something changed. Some combination of factors that we still don't fully understand--lower tariff barriers, improved telecommunications, cheaper air transport--reduced the disadvantages of producing in developing countries. (Other things being the same, it is still better to produce in the First World--stories of companies that moved production to Mexico or East Asia, then moved back after experiencing the disadvantages of the Third World environment, are common.) In a substantial number of industries, low wages allowed developing countries to break into world markets. And so countries that had previously made a living selling jute or coffee started producing shirts and sneakers instead.

Workers in those shirt and sneaker factories are, inevitably, paid very little and expected to endure terrible working conditions. I say "inevitably" because their employers are not in business for their (or their workers') health; THEY PAY AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE, AND THAT MINIMUM IS DETERMINED BY THE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE TO WORKERS. And these are still extremely poor countries, where living on a garbage heap is attractive compared with the alternatives.

And yet, wherever the new export industries have grown, there has been measurable improvement in the lives of ordinary people. Partly this is because A GROWING INDUSTRY MUST OFFER A SOMEWHAT HIGHER WAGE THAN WORKERS COULD GET ELSEWHERE IN ORDER TO GET THEM TO MOVE. More importantly, however, the growth of manufacturing--and of the penumbra of other jobs that the new export sector creates--has a ripple effect throughout the economy. The pressure on the land becomes less intense, so rural wages rise; the pool of unemployed urban dwellers always anxious for work shrinks, so factories start to compete with each other for workers, and urban wages also begin to rise. Where the process has gone on long enough--say, in South Korea or Taiwan--average wages start to approach what an American teen-ager can earn at McDonald's. And eventually people are no longer eager to live on garbage dumps. (Smokey Mountain persisted because the Philippines, until recently, did not share in the export-led growth of its neighbors. Jobs that pay better than scavenging are still few and far between.)

The benefits of export-led economic growth to the mass of people in the newly industrializing economies are not a matter of conjecture. A country like Indonesia is still so poor that progress can be measured in terms of how much the average person gets to eat; since 1970, per capita intake has risen from less than 2,100 to more than 2,800 calories a day. A shocking one-third of young children are still malnourished--but in 1975, the fraction was more than half. Similar improvements can be seen throughout the Pacific Rim, and even in places like Bangladesh. THESE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE NOT TAKEN PLACE BECAUSE WELL-MEANING PEOPLE IN THE WEST HAVE DONE ANYTHING TO HELP--foreign aid, never large, has lately shrunk to virtually nothing. Nor is it the result of the benign policies of national governments, which are as callous and corrupt as ever. IT IS THE INDIRECT AND UNINTENDED RESULT OF THE ACTIONS OF SOULLESS MULTINATIONALS AND RAPACIOUS LOCAL ENTREPRENEURS, WHOSE ONLY CONCERN WAS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE PROFIT OPPORTUNITIES OFFERED BY CHEAP LABOR. It is not an edifying spectacle; but no matter how base the motives of those involved, the result has been to move hundreds of millions of people from abject poverty to something still awful but nonetheless significantly better.

Why, then, the outrage of my correspondents? Why does the image of an Indonesian sewing sneakers for 60 cents an hour evoke so much more feeling than the image of another Indonesian earning the equivalent of 30 cents an hour trying to feed his family on a tiny plot of land--or of a Filipino scavenging on a garbage heap?

The main answer, I think, is a sort of fastidiousness. Unlike the starving subsistence farmer, the women and children in the sneaker factory are working at slave wages for our benefit--and this makes us feel unclean. And so there are self-righteous demands for international labor standards: We should not, the opponents of globalization insist, be willing to buy those sneakers and shirts unless the people who make them receive decent wages and work under decent conditions.

This sounds only fair--but is it? Let's think through the consequences.

First of all, even if we could assure the workers in Third World export industries of higher wages and better working conditions, this would do nothing for the peasants, day laborers, scavengers, and so on who make up the bulk of these countries' populations. At best, forcing developing countries to adhere to our labor standards would create a privileged labor aristocracy, leaving the poor majority no better off.

And it might not even do that. The advantages of established First World industries are still formidable. The only reason developing countries have been able to compete with those industries is their ability to offer employers cheap labor. Deny them that ability, and you might well deny them the prospect of continuing industrial growth, even reverse the growth that has been achieved. And since export-oriented growth, for all its injustice, has been a huge boon for the workers in those nations, anything that curtails that growth is very much against their interests. A POLICY OF GOOD JOBS IN PRINCIPLE, BUT NO JOBS IN PRACTICE, MIGHT ASSUAGE OUR CONSCIENCES, BUT IT IS NO FAVOR TO ITS ALLEGED BENEFICIARIES.

You may say that the wretched of the earth should not be forced to serve as hewers of wood, drawers of water, and sewers of sneakers for the affluent. But what is the alternative? Should they be helped with foreign aid? Maybe--although the historical record of regions like southern Italy suggests that such aid has a tendency to promote perpetual dependence. Anyway, there isn't the slightest prospect of significant aid materializing. Should their own governments provide more social justice? Of course--but they won't, or at least not because we tell them to. And as long as you have no realistic alternative to industrialization based on low wages, to oppose it means that YOU ARE WILLING TO DENY DESPERATELY POOR PEOPLE THE BEST CHANCE THEY HAVE OF PROGRESS FOR THE SAKE OF WHAT AMOUNTS TO AN AESTHETIC STANDARD--that is, the fact that you don't like the idea of workers being paid a pittance to supply rich Westerners with fashion items.

In short, my correspondents are not entitled to their self-righteousness. They have not thought the matter through. And when the hopes of hundreds of millions are at stake, thinking things through is not just good intellectual practice. It is a moral duty.

Posted Friday, March 21, 1997

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How can anyone take this man remotely seriously?

Krugman: Bush's Deficit Bad, Obama's Deficit Good


Left-wing economist, Nobel laureate and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman hates deficits in tough economic times — when the president of the United States is named George W. Bush.

Krugman, in a November 2004 interview, criticized the "enormous" Bush deficit. "We have a world-class budget deficit," he said, "not just as in absolute terms, of course — it's the biggest budget deficit in the history of the world — but it's a budget deficit that, as a share of GDP, is right up there."

The numbers? The deficit in fiscal year 2004 — $413 billion, 3.5 percent of the gross domestic product.

Back then, a disapproving Krugman called the deficit "comparable to the worst we've ever seen in this country. ... The only time postwar that the United States has had anything like these deficits is the middle Reagan years, and that was with unemployment close to 10 percent." Take away the Social Security surplus spent by the government, he said, and "we're running at a deficit of more than 6 percent of GDP, and that is unprecedented."


He considered the Bush tax cuts irresponsible and a major contributor — along with two wars — to the deficit. But he also warned of the growing cost of autopilot entitlements: "We have the huge bulge in the population that starts to collect benefits. ... If there isn't a clear path towards fiscal sanity well before (the next decade), then I think the financial markets are going to say, 'Well, gee, where is this going?'"

Three months earlier, Krugman said, "Here we are more than 2 1/2 years after the official end of the recession, and we're still well below, of course, pre-Bush employment." In October 2004, unemployment was 5.5 percent and continued to slowly decline. At the time, Krugman described the economy as "weak," with "job creation ... essentially nonexistent."

How bad will it get? If we don't get our "financial house in order," he said, "I think we're looking for a collapse of confidence some time in the not-too-distant future."

Fast-forward to 2010.

The numbers: projected deficit for fiscal year 2010 — over $1.5 trillion, more than 10 percent of GDP.

This sets a post-WWII record in both absolute numbers and as a percentage of GDP. And if the Obama administration's optimistic projections of the economic growth fall short, things will get much worse. So what does Krugman say now?

We must guard against "deficit hysteria." In "Fiscal Scare Tactics," his recent column, Krugman writes: "These days it's hard to pick up a newspaper or turn on a news program without encountering stern warnings about the federal budget deficit.

The deficit threatens economic recovery, we're told; it puts American economic stability at risk; it will undermine our influence in the world. These claims generally aren't stated as opinions, as views held by some analysts but disputed by others. Instead, they're reported as if they were facts, plain and simple."

He continues, "And fear-mongering on the deficit may end up doing as much harm as the fear-mongering on weapons of mass destruction." Krugman believes Bush lied us into the Iraq War. Just as people unreasonably feared Saddam Hussein, they now have an unwarranted fear of today's deficit.

Questions: Didn't Krugman, less than six years ago, call the deficit "enormous"? Wouldn't he, therefore, consider a $1.5 trillion deficit at 10 percent of GDP mega-normous? Didn't he describe the economy with 5.5 percent unemployment as "weak"? Isn't the current economy, at 9.7 percent unemployment, even weaker? If the 2004 deficit was "comparable to the worst we've ever seen in this country," wouldn't today's much bigger deficit cause even more heartburn?

Nope. Now a huge deficit is actually a good thing: "The point is that running big deficits in the face of the worst economic slump since the 1930s is actually the right thing to do. If anything, deficits should be bigger than they are because the government should be doing more than it is to create jobs." The deficit " should be bigger "?!

Long term, Krugman says, we've got concerns about revenue and spending. But as for now? "There's no reason to panic about budget prospects for the next few years, or even for the next decade." In 2004, Krugman warned that without a "clear path towards fiscal sanity" before "the next decade," we faced a "crunch." Presumably, we now have this "clear path."

Let's review. In 2004, an unhappy Krugman criticized Bush's "weak" economy and "miserable" job creation. Running an "enormous" deficit was a bad thing. Times were awful — "by a large margin" the worst job crash and performance since Herbert Hoover. Today the deficit is four times as large in an even weaker economy with much higher unemployment. Times are awful. Now, though, the deficit is a good thing and should be even bigger.

Krugman's flip-flop on the deficit demonstrates a modern economic equation. Hatred of Bush + love for Obama = intellectual dishonesty.
An ideologically driven, intellectually dishonest charlatan....a shameless hack and poseur of the most transparent sort...

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Have youse guys been eating leaded rice, again?

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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Dale, I'd have to eat an awful lot of leaded rice, washed down with uranium contaminated water, (and maybe a fifth of Jack Black as well) before I'd have any regard for anything this flim-flam man has to say....

Nobel shmobel.... 8-)
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Now, now Jim......as I posted elsewhere at this BBS, the esteemed Jimmy Carter is a Nobel recepient. 8-)

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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as I posted elsewhere at this BBS, the esteemed Jimmy Carter is a Nobel recepient. 8-)
Dale, if you keep making my point for me, I won't have any reason to post.... 8-)
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dales wrote:Now, now Jim......as I posted elsewhere at this BBS, the esteemed Jimmy Carter is a Nobel recepient. 8-)
Isn't Obama also?
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I knew it was a bad idea when they lowered the bar and started giving out the Nobel Prize for Dummies.

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Joe Guy wrote:I knew it was a bad idea when they lowered the bar and started giving out the Nobel Prize for Dummies.
I got that book, so far it hasn't helped.
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Krugman is exactly right in the first article: Employers "pay as little as possible, and that minimum is determined by the other opportunites available to workers." So if the minimum wage is increased, then "the other opportunites available to workers" are all opportunites paid at the new, higher minimum wage. And if "a growing industry must offer a somewhat higher wage than workers could get elsewhere," and if the wages that workers could get elsewhere are the the new, higher minimum wage, then a growing industry must offer a wage somewhat higher than the new, higher minimum wage.

All of which means that workers will have more money. Alleviating the current poverty of minimum-wage workers should be self-evidently a good thing. But beyond that, workers are also consumers, so raising their wages increases the money which they have to spend. (And the poor will spend their new money; the rich tend to save it, which contributes nothing to the economy.)

We have a consumption-based economy, so if poor people have more money to spend -- and they will spend their new money; the rich tend to save new money, which contributes nothing to our consumption-based economy -- our economy grows. Which should also be self-evidently a good thing.

Krugman has laid out a good case for raising the minimum wage in a prosperous country such as the US. Raising the minimum wage may or may not be a good idea in a poor country. But the US is not a poor country. And Krugman's article elucidates good reasons for the US, as a rich country, to alleviate the poverty which -- to the nation's shame -- afflicts far too many of us.
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However...

Raising the minimum wage does come at a cost, and the "compassionate" among us tend to ignore that cost. SOMEONE has to pay the delta between MWold and MWnew. Is it the employer? Perhaps. But why should he personally suffer? Is this not a de facto "tax increase"?

Is it the customers? Likely. Where do they get the extra money - or is it simply snatched away from them? What if the customers paying the higher prices are in many cases the employees who have had their wages bumped? Hmm. Net benefit?

Can it be ignored that in a dynamic economic world, the employer will react to the change? Try to use fewer bottom-level employees, consider automation, use "under the table" employees (as in a bar or family-owned restaurant)?

But - you say - if all the other employers are having to increase their wages at the same time, there will be no need for the employer to react, as his competitors are in the same boat.

More importantly, "minimum wage workers" is not a caste. It is a temporary situation for the vast, vast, vast majority of such workers, and for those who remain at MW over a period of years one suspects that MW is all they are earning, if not less.

On what basis does any government entity have the right or the obligation to improve the lot of any private citizen? Social Security can at least theoretically be justified on the basis that it is citizens paying into a finite fund from which they intend to draw at a late date, but that is not the case here. On what basis can Government demand that one private citizen give more of his money to another private citizen in the context of a transaction and relationship that is PRIVATE, PERSONAL, LEGAL, and COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY? It is utterly perverse.

If a MW increase is the way to improve the situation of the lowest-paid workers then why should the City of Detroit not implement a $20/hr local minimum wage IMMEDIATELY?

Seriously, why not?

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dgs49 wrote:However...

Raising the minimum wage does come at a cost, and the "compassionate" among us tend to ignore that cost. SOMEONE has to pay the delta between MWold and MWnew. Is it the employer? Perhaps. But why should he personally suffer? Is this not a de facto "tax increase"? ... "
No, by forcing them to pay the costs of the employee we are removing a large taxpayer and community-funded subsidy the employer would otherwise be sucking up.

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