'We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you'

[dales]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ttack.html





WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR YOU PEOPLE TO WAKE UP?

[Gob]

God only knows....

[Gob]

I await the UK apologists industry explaining this away,

[dgs49]

After reading through much of this, I still don't know, exactly, what these two bastards were trying to communicate.

That British soldiers are doing bad things in their godforsaken homeland?

What am I missing?

[Gob]

Already, on a UK forum I use;

What? as opposed to a hero drone operator who kills 50 civilians sorry "suspected terrorist" from 30000ft and 15000 miles away for every terrorist?

BTW those are the CIA's own statistics.

[Lord Jim]

Meanwhile, right here in the good ol' US of A:

Report: Fort Hood shooting victims struggle while defendant draws salary

Soldiers wounded in the Fort Hood shooting spree in November 2009 have a new problem on their hands: getting the shooting's classification changed from "workplace violence" to "combat related."

As reported by Dallas-Fort Worth's NBC 5 Investigates, the injured soldiers are struggling to pay their bills. Because the government doesn't classify the shooting as an act of combat or terror, those injured don't receive additional pay or Purple Hearts.

Receiving the "pay and medical benefits earned by those wounded in combat" would be a big help to these soldiers and their families, reports NBC 5.

Adding to the soldiers' concerns: Major Nidal Hasan, the man charged in the shootings, continues to be paid his salary and has earned more than $278,000 since the shooting, which resulted in 13 deaths and 32 injuries.

The news team reported that the Department of Defense confirmed that Hasan has continued to receive his salary because he has not yet been proved guilty. The salary rule is documented in the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (That Hasan would still receive his pay was first reported in 2011.)

NBC 5 spoke with Retired Army Spc. Logan Burnett and his wife, Torey Burnett, about the "workplace violence" designation. At the time of the shooting, the reservist was about to deploy to Iraq. He was shot three times by the gunman.

Via NBCDFW.com:

"Sickens me. Absolutely sickens me. Workplace violence? I don't even know if I have the words to say," said Burnett.

"They don't need to be treated like this. They don't need to sit and fight every day for this benefit or that,” said Torey Burnett.

As that fight continues, Burnett was stunned to see a letter detailing the more $278,000 Hasan has been paid since his arrest. NBC 5 Investigates received the letter from the Department of Defense in response to a request under the Freedom of Information Act.

"There have been times when my wife and I cannot afford groceries. We cannot afford gas in our car,” Burnett said. “Literally, times where we ate Ramen noodles for weeks on end. [That Hasan is still earning a paycheck] makes me sick to my stomach,” said Burnett.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/rep ... 34679.html

"Work place violence"

This wasn't a case of some disgruntled employee coming to settle scores with co-workers or supervisors....

This was an attack by a radical Islamist (yes, an American radical Islamist, but a radical Islamist nonetheless, who had been corresponding with terrorists abroad) against US soldiers on a US military base, because they were US soldiers....There's no evidence that Hassan had any personal gripes with the people he attacked.

This was a clear cut act of terrorism...Classifying this as "workplace violence" is a particularly odious expression of the impulse of some in this Administration to try to avoid calling terrorism what it is.

This was no more "workplace violence" then an attack targeting US troops in Iraq or Afghanistan could be classified as "workplace violence"...

If you're going to call the Fort Hood attack "workplace violence" then you might as well call the 9/11 attacks "workplace violence"....

[Gob]

[Gob]

My god, this woman has courage.

A mother-of-two described tonight how she put her own life on the line by trying to persuade the soldier’s murderers to hand over their weapons.

Cub scout leader Ingrid Loyau-Kennett selflessly engaged the terrorists in conversation and kept her nerve as one of them told her: “We want to start a war in London tonight.”

Mrs Loyau-Kennett, 48, from Cornwall, was one of the first people on the scene after the two Islamic extremists butchered a soldier in Woolwich, south east London.

She was photographed by onlookers confronting one of the attackers who was holding a bloodied knife.





Mrs Loyau-Kennett was a passenger on a number 53 bus which was travelling past the scene, and jumped off to check the soldier’s pulse.

“Being a cub leader I have my first aid so when I saw this guy on the floor I thought it was an accident then I saw the guy was dead and I could not feel any pulse.

“And then when I went up there was this black guy with a revolver and a kitchen knife, he had what looked like butcher’s tools and he had a little axe, to cut the bones, and two large knives and he said 'move off the body’.

“So I thought 'OK, I don’t know what is going on here’ and he was covered with blood. I thought I had better start talking to him before he starts attacking somebody else. I thought these people usually have a message so I said 'what do you want?’

“I asked him if he did it and he said yes and I said why? And he said because he has killed Muslim people in Muslim countries, he said he was a British solider and I said really and he said 'I killed him because he killed Muslims and I am fed up with people killing Muslims in Afghanistan they have nothing to do there.”

Moments earlier, the killers had hacked at the soldier “like a piece of meat”, and when Mrs Loyau-Kennett arrived on the scene they were roaming John Wilson Street waiting for police to arrive so they could stage a final confrontation with them.

She said: “I started to talk to him and I started to notice more weapons and the guy behind him with more weapons as well. By then, people had started to gather around. So I thought OK, I should keep him talking to me before he noticed everything around him.

“He was not high, he was not on drugs, he was not an alcoholic or drunk, he was just distressed, upset. He was in full control of his decisions and ready to everything he wanted to do.

I said 'right now it is only you versus many people, you are going to lose, what would you like to do?’ and he said I would like to stay and fight.”

The suspect in the black hat then went to speak to someone else and Mrs Loyau-Kennett tried to engage with the other man in the light coat.

She said: “The other one was much shier and I went to him and I said 'well, what about you? Would you like to give me what you have in your hands?’ I did not want to say weapons but I thought it was better having them aimed on one person like me rather than everybody there, children were starting to leave school as well.

Mrs Loyau-Kennett was not the only woman to show extraordinary courage. Others shielded the soldier’s body as the killers stood over them.

MPs praised the “extraordinary bravery” of the women and raised concerns about why it took armed police 20 minutes to arrive at the scene while people’s lives were at risk.

According to a security source the delay in the armed police response is “particularly surprising” because there is a heavily armed police presence at Woolwich Crown Court, which is just two and a half miles away.

Keith Vaz, the Labour chairman of the Home Affairs select committee, said: “We are all grateful for the local people who responded so quickly.

“I do want to pay tribute to them [members of the public] – I think what

they have done is extraordinarily brave and courageous.

“It shows the spirit of London that people are just not prepared to allow an attack of this kind. I pay tribute to what they have done.”

Patrick Mercer MP, a former army officer and former shadow counter terrorism minister, paid tribute to the people who shielded the body of the soldier.

He said: “This is courage of the highest order, it sounds as if these members of the public are not soldiers, not policemen, not people whose duties demand this, they are extremely courageous people and that courage deserves to be recognised at the highest level.”

Robert Buckland, a Conservative member of the justice select committee, said: “It it is the case [that police took 20 minutes to arrive] it is very worrying. If there was any unwarranted delay then that that needs to be investigated.”

[dales]

Lord Jim posted:

This was a clear cut act of terrorism...Classifying this as "workplace violence" is a particularly odious expression of the impulse of some in this [mis]Administration to try to avoid calling terrorism what it is.

Who or whomever did this should be fired.

[oldr_n_wsr]

My heart and thoughts go out to the family and friends of the soldier.

Too much in this thread that is just soooooo wrong.

[rubato]

At what point can we say that these are mentally ill people who have infused their own delusional interior landscapes with ideas from the popular media and thus very different from an organized group?

I just don't see this pair as 'terrorists' in anything like the same way as the 9-11 bombers were or Eric Robert Rudolph is. They are more like Ted Kaczinski.

yrs,
rubato

[Lord Jim]

Well here's another shocker...

I just don't see this pair as 'terrorists' in anything like the same way as the 9-11 bombers were or Eric Robert Rudolph is. They are more like Ted Kaczinski.

Rube labels Eric Rudolph, (right-wing domestic bomber) as a terrorist, (lumps him together in fact, with the 9-11 bombers) but then puts Ted Kaczinski, (left-wing domestic bomber) in some sort of lesser, "mentally ill people who have infused their own delusional interior landscapes with ideas from the popular media" category....

[rubato]

Timothy McVeigh is more like Kacsinski; a delusional individual. Albeit nominally Right-Wing.

Kacsinski was not "leftist" he was a religious extremist who treated his ideas about environmentalism like religion; as do the ALF, "Earth First" &c.


LJ illustrates "how to turn your brain off and avoid the point" for us once again.


yrs,
rubato

[Gob]

The soldier killed in an attack in London has been named as Drummer Lee Rigby of the 2nd Battalion the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers.



Drummer Rigby, 25, from Manchester, leaves behind a two-year-old son.

Two suspects shot by police after Wednesday's attack in Woolwich remain under arrest. A further two people have been arrested on conspiracy to murder.

The two suspects who were shot, believed to include Michael Adebolajo, were known to security services.

Scotland Yard said the latest arrests were of a man and woman, both aged 29.

Drummer Rigby's family issued a statement on Thursday, saying: "Lee was lovely. He would do anything for anybody, he always looked after his sisters and always protected them. He took a 'big brother' role with everyone.

"All he wanted to do from when he was a little boy, was be in the Army.

"He wanted to live life and enjoy himself. His family meant everything to him. He was a loving son, husband, father, brother, and uncle, and a friend to many. "

[Gob]

MI5 had been monitoring the two fanatics responsible for the slaughter of a young soldier near Woolwich barracks for eight years.

The Security Service is facing an inquiry by MPs amid a raft of devastating revelations about the killers’ known links to Islamist extremism. One of the pair – Michael Adebolajo – was so high profile he was photographed outside Paddington Green police station six years ago behind notorious hate preacher Anjem Choudary.

He was even intercepted by officials as he attempted to travel to Somalia to fight alongside Islamist terrorists last year.

It also emerged that Adebolajo was a violent ex-prisoner who was a member of a banned terrorist group.
Incredibly, he was said to have been preaching jihad on the streets of Woolwich earlier this week, only a few hundred yards from where 25-year-old Army Drummer Lee Rigby – a married father – was beheaded.
As MI5 faced accusations that they let the men slip through the net, David Cameron ordered a full intelligence review by a Westminster committee.

[dales]

"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

Winston Churchill

If the UK sits back and does nothing about this, I believe WW2 and the Battle of Britain was in vain.

AND THE US RESPONSE HAS BEEN COWARDLY......

Network Evening Shows Don’t Name Islam in London Terror Attack

By Matthew Philbin | May 23, 2013 | 10:08


What does a murderous jihadist terrorist have to do to get some recognition for his cause? You hack a British soldier to death in broad daylight on a London street while shouting “Allahu akbar” and then “swear by the almighty Allah” that you’ll never stop fighting, and the U.S. broadcast networks still can’t bring themselves to utter a word about Islam.

True, the ABC CBS and NBC evening broadcasts called the attack “terrorism,” but for all the information they gave viewers, the attackers might have been Basque separatists or animal rights zealots.

On “Nightly News” NBC anchor Brian Williams said the attackers allowed “people to take video while they vent their message about religion and politics.” Correspondent Michelle Kosinski said one of the attackers “made a long political statement, weapons still in his blood-covered hands.”

CBS “Evening News with Scott Pelley” went a bit further, as reporter Charlie D’Agata mentioned that “Witnesses said that the men shouted ‘god is great’ in Arabic during the attacks.” Hmmm. Presbyterians maybe?

Over at ABC, on “World News with Diane Sawyer,” reporter Lama Hasan would only say British authorities were trying to find out including “whether or not one of [the attackers] is of African origin with ties to terrorist groups.” Of the one attacker’s video rant, Dian Sawyer said, “officials in the United States and the United Kingdom are studying the meaning of this tape.” Yes, it’s a real head-scratcher.

By contrast, the U.K. media seems to be calling the attacks what they are. The BBC (no right-wing media shop) reported that one of the attackers told a witness, “I killed him because he kills Muslims over there and I am fed up that people kill Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.” The BBC also said that “The Muslim Council of Britain said the murder was ‘a truly barbaric act that has no basis in Islam and we condemn this unreservedly,’” and noted that “At least two plots by Islamist extremists to kill soldiers in the UK have been foiled in recent years.”

This morning, the networks did identify radical Islam as the attackers' motivation, but their initial reluctance in the face of obvious evidence fits a pattern, as when they wouldn't call Hamas terrorists while Hamas was making terrorist attacks on Israel.


Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-ph ... z2UAShw1KA

[Jarlaxle]

Islam needs to be eradicated as the cancer it is!

[Econoline]

I'm curious as to how you'd suggest "eradicating" 1,619,314,000 people (almost a quarter of the world population).

I guess we in the U.S. might not miss our 2,595,000 Muslims very much, but I'm pretty sure that eradicating 204,847,000 Indonesians might put a heckuva dent in Indonesia's tax base; likewise for the eradication of 178,097,000 Pakistanis or 148,607,000 Bangladeshis.

[dales]

PORK?

[Sean]

Islam needs to be eradicated as the cancer it is!

In that case we need to consider the Westboro Baptist Church and eradicate Christianity while we're at it!