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Michelle Obama’s heckler win

The first lady shuts down a protester and triumphs over rudeness
By Mary Elizabeth Williams

When Michelle Obama declared last summer at the Democratic National Convention that “At the end of the day, my most important title is still ‘mom in chief,’” she was not kidding around. Case in point – the impromptu lesson in manners she gave a heckler Tuesday evening.

As the New York Times reports, Mrs. Obama was speaking before a group of approximately 200 supporters at a Democratic fundraiser in a private home in northwest Washington when she was interrupted by a protester. But when the woman, later identified as Ellen Sturtz, a member of the LGBT rights group GetEQUAL, shouted for the president to “issue an executive order barring federal contractors from discriminating against employees based on sexual orientation or gender identity,” the first lady wasn’t having it. She reportedly left her place at the lectern and moved toward Sturtz, saying, “One of the things I don’t do well is this.” And then, quite well, she said, “Listen to me, or you can take the mic, but I’m leaving. You all decide. You have one choice.” With that, the crowd began shouting for Mrs. Obama to stay put, and Sturtz was escorted out, still yelling and calling herself “a lesbian looking for federal equality before I die.”

For a woman whose etiquette is not always perfection, Michelle Obama’s sense of decorum is flawless. And the first lady’s response had a firm conviction that’s familiar to many parents. It was the determined tone of a woman who, swear to God, will turn this car around RIGHT NOW if you can’t control yourselves. I don’t know where Sturtz went after her tussle, but I’d have instinctively gone straight to my room.

In a press release today, GetEQUAL quotes Sturtz, who they say “interacted with the First Lady.” She explains her actions by saying, “I simply couldn’t stay silent any longer.” And she did manage to draw attention to the issue. But she did it by being rude and boorish, so where’s the satisfaction in that?

The headline-grabbing outburst is a common ploy, one that, it depresses me to say, is far too often used by those of us here on the crunchy left. We can say that dire circumstances call for extreme reactions, but really, all that heckling does is broadcast to the world, “What I feel right this moment is more important than what everybody else in the room paid money to experience.” We see it again and again, and never satisfyingly. Last summer, a comedy club patron enticed Daniel Tosh to make some very unfortunate remarks about rape – an event that was set in motion when the woman decided, “I felt that sitting there and saying nothing, or leaving quietly, would have been against my values as a person and as a woman.” In other words, much like Sturtz, she decided that her values should be made known to everyone in the audience, because they were more important than anything anybody else was saying or doing. Certainly more important than what the person the rest of the assembly had paid their money to see was saying and doing.

I believe in vigorous debate and fighting with all the passion we have for the issues that matter. And that is not possible when we are selfish, self-appointed arbiters of what the person in the front of the room with the microphone ought to be talking about. There is plenty to be pissed off about in this world. I’m in the Yes to Equal Rights, No to Rape camp too. I think that Rick Santorum actually looks better covered in a sparkly dusting of glitter. But the moment we play the “I just couldn’t help myself ” card we shut down meaningful conversation. Yelling at someone is not “interaction.” Sure, we get noticed, but it’s easy to get noticed. A no-nonsense mom like Michelle Obama could tell you that any 2-year-old in a WalMart can get noticed just by throwing herself on the floor of the sporting goods aisle. That doesn’t mean anybody is going to take her seriously.
http://www.salon.com/2013/06/05/michell ... ckler_win/

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Jim. I thought this would be more your style.........


Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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That works too... :ok
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She handled the situation absolutely perfectly. And I find it interesting that it is primarily commentators on the right, like Drudge, who have been trying to paint her reaction in a critical light.
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I find it interesting that it is primarily commentators on the right, like Drudge, who have been trying to paint her reaction in a critical light.
Well, I don't know about that....:
Normally, the reaction to anything Obama-related falls pretty cleanly along partisan lines. That wasn't quite true in this case. Here's conservative pundit John Podhoretz, of Commentary:
John Podhoretz @jpodhoretz

Good for Michelle Obama. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... undraiser/ … Self-righteous, morally preening protestors need to have it stuffed back in their faces
7:10 PM - 4 Jun 2013
And the more liberal Nicholas Kristof, of The New York Times:
Nicholas Kristof ✔ @NickKristof

I like the First Lady, but her confrontation with this heckler was not her finest moment: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... undraiser/
7:19 PM - 4 Jun 2013
http://theweek.com/article/index/245118 ... ff-who-won
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I said primarily, not exclusively. The way Drudge tried to portray the incident, with the First Lady purportedly "yelling" at the heckler, which was taken up by other conservative commentators, is the sort of thing I meant.

Note that your OP piece was taken from Salon, not exactly a bastion of right-wing thought.
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Note that your OP piece was taken from Salon, not exactly a bastion of right-wing thought.
And that was quite deliberate... 8-)

I read several articles, and selected that one specifically, (as opposed to some that were more "straight news") because I happened to agree with the commentary and editorial slant....(Which I think I made clear when I said, "Well said")

I think I've been pretty consistent in what I've had to say regarding vulgar exhibitionists who think their rights are the only ones that matter, everyone else be damned., (without regard to my personal political persuasion)....
Lord Jim wrote: One other thing about the speech...

I don't know if anyone else saw it, but Obama was heckled repeatedly and for a prolonged period of time by some Pink Shirt ninny....(It seemed to take forever for the security personnel to finally get the crank out of the hall.)

I saw this arrogant self-important jackass interviewed on CNN later, and she blathered on about how she was just exercising her first amendment rights... :roll:

One thing that I've noticed that's consistent about these exhibitionist morons is that it's always all about "them" and "their" rights. Never any thought whatsoever for the rights of the person they're trying to shout down, or the rights of those who came to hear the speaker. Those rights don't count apparently....

Talk about entitlement issues....
I don't care if it's Michelle Obama, or Michele Bachmann....

They have a right to speak, and the people who came to hear them speak also have rights, every bit as valid as those of the self important types who think their rights are more important.
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Yes, you have been very consistent about it.

But right-wing commentators who normally would not have had any sympathy for the cause Ms. Sturtz is espousing, were suddenly up in arms about the fact that she was being prevented from expressing her views, for no reason but the fact that it was Michelle Obama who put her in her place.

It's called hypocrisy.
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“Listen to me, or you can take the mic, but I’m leaving. You all decide. You have one choice.”
Yup, that's scything wit right there. Amazing. Way to put someone down! Repartee! Ridicule! Daniel Day Lewis wishes he'd had lines half as good as that one. 19 words and the Gettysburg Address is toast! Wow! (etc.) As reported in the Arslickan Journal

Apparently the woman didn't have the choice though, did she? Headline in right wing rags should read:

"First Lady Lies Through Teeth"

:lol:
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I didn't think her response was especially witty, effective enough for the moment but nothing worth further mention.

But this is the right-wing bullshit-o-sphere which invented lies about Hilary Clinton when she had no record as a public official to base them on*. When some people have nothing to talk about, they stop.



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* Her record in the Senate and as S. of State has silenced them for the moment. But they will never learn the general lesson.

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Anyone heard from Vince Foster, lately?

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Rube, every time I read one of your posts, I feel the sudden urge to take a long hot shower....

nobody puts the "I M" in "imbecile" the way you do ...

In a way I'm thankful...

Anytime I have the slightest concern that I might be weakening in my attitude towards the Democratic Party, I have you to remind me of why I could never, ever ever make common cause with that lot...

You're a walking talking recruiting poster for the Republican Party... :ok
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Yeah but you have all the Randian libritarian tea partners on your side
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Yes, but at least you get scones with your tea party; as opposed to the bitter that comes by going with the other party. ;)

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I end up with bitter from all the parties.

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Some-ato get bitter with practice.

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Long Run wrote:Yes, but at least you get scones with your tea party; as opposed to the bitter that comes by going with the other party. ;)
They're good for cocktails
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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They're good for cocktails
Absolutely essential for a good Manhattan....
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