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June 6, 1944

The WW2 generation in which we owe a tremendous debt is almost gone. For those that freed Europe from Axis opression we who are alive today salute you.

Thanks.......dad. :(

Even though you died in 2000, I miss you and owe you one hell of a lot!

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The WW2 generation in which we owe a tremendous debt is almost gone. For those that freed Europe from Axis opression we who are alive today salute you.
Ditto.
Thanks to all of you.

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My fellow Americans: Last night, when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome, I knew at that moment that troops of the United States and our allies were crossing the Channel in another and greater operation. It has come to pass with success thus far.

And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in prayer:

Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our Nation, this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity.

Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith.

They will need Thy blessings. Their road will be long and hard. For the enemy is strong. He may hurl back our forces. Success may not come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again; and we know that by Thy grace, and by the righteousness of our cause, our sons will triumph.

They will be sore tried, by night and by day, without rest-until the victory is won. The darkness will be rent by noise and flame. Men's souls will be shaken with the violences of war.

For these men are lately drawn from the ways of peace. They fight not for the lust of conquest. They fight to end conquest. They fight to liberate. They fight to let justice arise, and tolerance and good will among all Thy people. They yearn but for the end of battle, for their return to the haven of home.

Some will never return. Embrace these, Father, and receive them, Thy heroic servants, into Thy kingdom.

And for us at home - fathers, mothers, children, wives, sisters, and brothers of brave men overseas - whose thoughts and prayers are ever with them - help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in renewed faith in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice.

Many people have urged that I call the Nation into a single day of special prayer. But because the road is long and the desire is great, I ask that our people devote themselves in a continuance of prayer. As we rise to each new day, and again when each day is spent, let words of prayer be on our lips, invoking Thy help to our efforts.

Give us strength, too - strength in our daily tasks, to redouble the contributions we make in the physical and the material support of our armed forces.

And let our hearts be stout, to wait out the long travail, to bear sorrows that may come, to impart our courage unto our sons wheresoever they may be.

And, O Lord, give us Faith. Give us Faith in Thee; Faith in our sons; Faith in each other; Faith in our united crusade. Let not the keenness of our spirit ever be dulled. Let not the impacts of temporary events, of temporal matters of but fleeting moment let not these deter us in our unconquerable purpose.

With Thy blessing, we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our enemy. Help us to conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogancies. Lead us to the saving of our country, and with our sister Nations into a world unity that will spell a sure peace a peace invulnerable to the schemings of unworthy men. And a peace that will let all of men live in freedom, reaping the just rewards of their honest toil.

Thy will be done, Almighty God.

Amen.
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Amen

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Agree with all above.

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I agree too.

Lets hope that the free forces of the allies will always stand together.

(Let's also not forget Russia's contribution too.)
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The USSR lost more men to the NAZI onslaught than all others, some 20 million I believe.

Their country was brutalized like no other except perhaps China by Imperial Japan.

My God, when one reflects on the enormity of this war and how many brave men and women gave their lives for MY freedom (as well as millions of others) a debt of graditude wells up in my heart.

:ok God Bless All Of You! :ok

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British and American veterans of the the Normandy landings have returned to the beaches one final time to mark the 69th anniversary of the invasion.

In emotional scenes, several hundred former soldiers, many proudly wearing their old uniforms emblazoned with medals, gathered to lay wreaths and remember fallen comrades.


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Words escape me.
Thank you to all.

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It was a very near thing...

If an extraordinary disinformation campaign prior to the Invasion had not succeeded in convincing Hitler that the Normandy Invasion was a feint, and that the main thrust of the invasion forces would come at the Pas De Calais, he would have brought up the reserve Panzer and infantry units to bear on the invaders at Normandy and the invasion would have failed...

His hesitation during those first crucial hours allowed the invasion to succeed...

When FDR said:
The enemy is strong. He may hurl back our forces. Success may not come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again
He was preparing the country for the possibility that the invasion might not succeed, and that we might have to mount it again....
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Hitler didn't arise until noon on the 6th and left strict orders not to be disturbed.

What an idiot! :nana

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And if Erwin Rommel, the architect of The Atlantic Wall, hadn't been back in Germany celebrating his wife's birthday on June 6th, (the German High Command knew that an invasion attempt was coming, but they thought the weather in the Channel had gotten so bad that the Allies wouldn't try it for another month) and had instead been standing on top of the sand dunes above Omaha Beach peering through his binoculars at the vast armada of ships headed his way, he would have moved the reserves down to meet them...

We would still have ultimately won the war, (our superior industrial and manpower capacity would have triumphed) but at a much greater cost...

We might have wound up having to use The Bomb in Europe to end the war...
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This raises an interesting, "what if?" question...

What if the Normandy invasion had failed, and the Rastenburg Bomb Plot had succeeded?

With Hitler and the Nazi government removed, would there have been sufficient stomach for pursuing "unconditional surrender" in the West regardless of the cost? Or would the US and the Brits have been willing to accept a separate peace with Germany that left them free to fight the Soviets?

I think that's an interesting question....
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Hitler firmly believed that the Allied Invasion would occur at the Pas de Calais.......for that matter many in the German high command believed the same.

I heard that Hitler wasn't too keen on that "Jew science" of atomic fission. Hence, Germany lagged in nuclear development. One can only imagine a multi-stage V-2 equipped with a nuclear warhead.

Bye-bye......NYC :shock:

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There is a great deal of fairly ignorant "if this then that" speculation about the Normandy invasion but the brute facts are that Germany was so tied up with the Russians who were busy rolling the front lines back to the Fatherland that it is likely we would have been successful overall even if Normandy were made more difficult than it was.

Irwin Rommel was not the architect of the defenses on the Atlantic coast, he was just put in charge of them late in the game. Yes, he was a good general. No he could not overcome a huge material advantage by magick. Monty, no mental giant, whipped him with American equipment in N. Africa.

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Who is Irwin Rommel?

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Who is Irwin Rommel?
He was Erwin's younger brother... :lol:

(Good God, can this guy can not get anything right? Geez, what a buffoon..)
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There is a great deal of fairly ignorant "if this then that" speculation about the Normandy invasion but the brute facts are blah blah blah...
Thus says the man who's knowledge of WWII is so hopelessly flawed that he believes the Poles weren't victims of the Nazis...

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Getting back to "Operation Overlord"

Job well done! :ok

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(check ot the GI mith the machete to the left of the NAZI flag)

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Well yes, but apart from spelling Rommel's first name with an I instead of the correct E, any substantive refutation of the overall point rubato made - that the Russian offensive made a Western Front assault more likely to succeed (eventually) than not?

Taking nothing away from the men who invaded Europe from England (and not forgetting the D-Day 'dodgers' in sunny Italy), Hitler's most amazing blunder of attacking Russia was the key to the eventual Allied victory. Without it, the forces of freedom might have still be fighting for a toehold in 1950 which would have been a bit of blow to my chances of being conceived. (And let's have no cries of "What a shame")

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