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[dales]

CM has NO internet access.

He is in the SHU (secure housing unit) at California State Prison Corcoran.

He has been caught with cell phones (prolly "keester delivered").

[liberty]

If we can’t get Charlie perhaps we could get one of his followers; are you all not a little curious how they could pull of a group orgasm. Well there might have been a good bit faking.

[Scooter]

I contacted him again, he said that he checked out the board but was not interested since there were no afronazi to whack

Why am I not surprised that the village idiot would be attempting to attract someone here whose only posting interest was finding black people to bait.

Does he live in one of those segregated Afrikaner compounds?

[liberty]

African AE
Durban, South Africa

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The Europeans invented television, but it hasn’t been rejected because of who invented it. Something either works or it doesn’t including classifications. I believe there are black people in Africa that have very little or no Caucasian ancestry European, Arab or whatever. Those blacks in Africa who have no Caucasian ancestry might be proud of that fact and refer to those that are mixed as colored.


You are absolutely right Sir! Im a Coloured man and AM NOT REGARDED AS AN AFRICAN!

[Scooter]

Leaving aside the fact that the word is "coloured" in an African context (the American spelling "colored" having a different meaning), and was a term invented by white Europeans to label Africans of mixed ancestry, because of their obsession with racial classification for the purpose of imposing white minority rule...

it sounds like Mediator is now posing as a mixed-race African

[dales]

If we can’t get Charlie perhaps we could get one of his followers; are you all not a little curious how they could pull of a group orgasm. Well there might have been a good bit faking.

You must be stoned.

[Lord Jim]

Lib, I have to say, that I felt compelled to view this statement of yours with some skepticism:

I know nothing about his political leaning.

In light of your earlier description of what you had told the guy:

Don’t let the fact bother you that most of the posters here are liberal most of them here are good people and we have a couple conservatives and few moderates.

If you knew "nothing" about the guy's "political leaning" why would you feel it neccessary to say to him that he shouldn't, "let the fact bother you that most of the posters here are liberal most of them are good people"...

Seems to me, that if you truly didn't know anything about his politics, then for all you knew he might be a liberal, and therefore would have required no such reassurance....

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are you all not a little curious how they could pull of a group orgasm.

Hmmm....

Let me think about that....

Uhh, not overly so, no....

[liberty]

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The Europeans invented television, but it hasn’t been rejected because of who invented it. Something either works or it doesn’t including classifications. I believe there are black people in Africa that have very little or no Caucasian ancestry European, Arab or whatever. Those blacks in Africa who have no Caucasian ancestry might be proud of that fact and refer to those that are mixed as colored.


You are absolutely right Sir! Im a Coloured man and AM NOT REGARDED AS AN AFRICAN!

I messed this post up , some how I lost part where I was asking for help. I was curious if an individual could fake a location in such a way it could not be detected. I know that the location of the service provider can be seen. But it is moot now since he spelled colored as coloured , the English spelling. So he is South African and not a fake as some of his Afrocentric opponents claim.

[liberty]

Lib, I have to say, that I felt compelled to view this statement of yours with some skepticism:

I know nothing about his political leaning.

In light of your earlier description of what you had told the guy:

Don’t let the fact bother you that most of the posters here are liberal most of them here are good people and we have a couple conservatives and few moderates.

If you knew "nothing" about the guy's "political leaning" why would you feel it neccessary to say to him that he shouldn't, "let the fact bother you that most of the posters here are liberal most of them are good people"...

Seems to me, that if you truly didn't know anything about his politics, then for all you knew he might be a liberal, and therefore would have required no such reassurance....

ETAo....

I tell the truth Jim; I don’t know if he is liberal, moderate or conservative. I don’t even know if those term are relevant in Africa. But I do have doubts about him being liberal in the American sense of the word; I feel it is against the rules for a liberal to disagree with an Afrocentric regardless how ridiculous the claim my be. If the claim is that Jesus as a man was black it has to be accepted without question. And if the claim is that Egypt and North Africa were all black at onetime and then wiped out by some genocide it has to be accepted by a liberal or he will kicked out of the club. ( look for the metaphors)

[liberty]

African AE wrote this on Topix; I wonder if our General Meade knows anything about this attitude:

Are you a psycologist now? Unfortunately black Africans treat us like cr*p! Under apartheid we were not considered white enough, now we are not considered black enough. A forgotten people treated as second class citizens in our own country. This Government gives all the money (that which they dont steal) to Africans to better their lives but not our lives! Nothing has changed for us!

[MajGenl.Meade]

Lib

I don't know from personal observation. People I know in Bloemfontein are either black or white. Your contact appears to be among the "Cape Coloured" group, which Wiki describes as a sub-set of the racial classification "Coloured" as defined by the apartheid government.

A group of Cape Coloureds were interviewed in the documentary series Ross Kemp on Gangs. One of the gang members who participated in the interview mentioned that black South Africans have been the main beneficiaries of South African social promotion initiatives while the Cape Coloureds have been further marginalised

. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Coloureds

One of the ANC problems is that the Western Cape is governed not by them but by the DA (Democratic Alliance) - satirically the "Desperate Alternative" - which is heavily supported by the majority coloured population. They would dearly love to see the Western Cape become majority black for political reasons - hence the recent (2011) outrage about previous comments made by Jimmy Manyi:

Government spokesperson Jimmy Manyi was under fire on Thursday for saying that the Western Cape has too many coloured people. Manyi made the comments on a show broadcast on KykNet’s Robinson Regstreeks show in March 2010, while he was still the director general of labour. The remarks come days after the union Solidarity was criticised for pointing out that around one million coloured people stood to lose their jobs if amendments to the Employment Equity Act (EEA) became law.

“Let me just make some few comments here on the last discussion on coloured people,” Manyi said in the interview with host Freek Robinson. “I think its very important for coloured people in this country to understand that South Africa belongs to them in totality, not just the Western Cape. So this over-concentration of coloureds in the Western Cape is not working for them. They should spread in the rest of the country ... so they must stop this over-concentration situation because they are in over-supply where they are so you must look into the country and see where you can meet the supply.This Employment Equity Act (EEA) is a very good act in this country,” he said......

..... According to the Western Cape’s current demographics, 29,1% are black, 54,8% are coloured, 0,5% Indian and 15,6% white. In the interview, he said the rest of the country should be looked at to see where there was a demand for coloured workers.

Solidarity said that unless the government repudiated Manyi’s statements and withdrew the proposed amendment to labour legislation, the remarks would continue to be regarded as the government’s official standpoint. “The proposed change to the EEA, in terms of which national demographics and not regional demographics in provinces must be taken into account, corresponds with Manyi’s views,” the union said. “The amendment makes provision for a large-scale social engineering programme according to which the entire country must be an exact replica of the national demographics.”

http://mg.co.za/article/2011-02-24-colo ... says-manyi

That there are significant numbers of coloured people who feel that blacks obtain priority in government policy, in tenders and in reaching the trough is not a secret. Recently Trevor Manuel, the most important Cape Coloured in the ANC government, was marginalised for daring to suggest that the tendency to excuse poor service delivery to the previously disadvantaged by harking back to the apartheid past was a fig-leaf to avoid tackling real issues of corruption, cronyism and tribalism. More recently he pointed to the problem of ANC party loyalty being more important to government at all levels than loyalty to the citizens of South Africa.

It's a matter of debate as to whether "party loyalty" is itself a euphemism for loyalty to "black" leaders rather than to the general populace. Practically, of course it is so because the ANC is by far a majority black organisation and in any group those below tend to want to please those above and those above tend to reward "their own" - regardless of whether we are speaking of majority black or white or New Yorkers or Free Staters.

The ANC government talks the talk ("we are all South Africans") but walks differently. I'd be interested in knowing how your pal regards the position of coloureds in the Western Cape - are they held back by the DA leadership which the ANC declares to be a "white" grouping, the Nats in disguise?

Meade

[liberty]

Lib

I don't know from personal observation. People I know in Bloemfontein are either black or white. Your contact appears to be among the "Cape Coloured" group, which Wiki describes as a sub-set of the racial classification "Coloured" as defined by the apartheid government.

A group of Cape Coloureds were interviewed in the documentary series Ross Kemp on Gangs. One of the gang members who participated in the interview mentioned that black South Africans have been the main beneficiaries of South African social promotion initiatives while the Cape Coloureds have been further marginalised

. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Coloureds

One of the ANC problems is that the Western Cape is governed not by them but by the DA (Democratic Alliance) - satirically the "Desperate Alternative" - which is heavily supported by the majority coloured population. They would dearly love to see the Western Cape become majority black for political reasons - hence the recent (2011) outrage about previous comments made by Jimmy Manyi:

Government spokesperson Jimmy Manyi was under fire on Thursday for saying that the Western Cape has too many coloured people. Manyi made the comments on a show broadcast on KykNet’s Robinson Regstreeks show in March 2010, while he was still the director general of labour. The remarks come days after the union Solidarity was criticised for pointing out that around one million coloured people stood to lose their jobs if amendments to the Employment Equity Act (EEA) became law.

“Let me just make some few comments here on the last discussion on coloured people,” Manyi said in the interview with host Freek Robinson. “I think its very important for coloured people in this country to understand that South Africa belongs to them in totality, not just the Western Cape. So this over-concentration of coloureds in the Western Cape is not working for them. They should spread in the rest of the country ... so they must stop this over-concentration situation because they are in over-supply where they are so you must look into the country and see where you can meet the supply.This Employment Equity Act (EEA) is a very good act in this country,” he said......

..... According to the Western Cape’s current demographics, 29,1% are black, 54,8% are coloured, 0,5% Indian and 15,6% white. In the interview, he said the rest of the country should be looked at to see where there was a demand for coloured workers.

Solidarity said that unless the government repudiated Manyi’s statements and withdrew the proposed amendment to labour legislation, the remarks would continue to be regarded as the government’s official standpoint. “The proposed change to the EEA, in terms of which national demographics and not regional demographics in provinces must be taken into account, corresponds with Manyi’s views,” the union said. “The amendment makes provision for a large-scale social engineering programme according to which the entire country must be an exact replica of the national demographics.”

http://mg.co.za/article/2011-02-24-colo ... says-manyi

That there are significant numbers of coloured people who feel that blacks obtain priority in government policy, in tenders and in reaching the trough is not a secret. Recently Trevor Manuel, the most important Cape Coloured in the ANC government, was marginalised for daring to suggest that the tendency to excuse poor service delivery to the previously disadvantaged by harking back to the apartheid past was a fig-leaf to avoid tackling real issues of corruption, cronyism and tribalism. More recently he pointed to the problem of ANC party loyalty being more important to government at all levels than loyalty to the citizens of South Africa.

It's a matter of debate as to whether "party loyalty" is itself a euphemism for loyalty to "black" leaders rather than to the general populace. Practically, of course it is so because the ANC is by far a majority black organisation and in any group those below tend to want to please those above and those above tend to reward "their own" - regardless of whether we are speaking of majority black or white or New Yorkers or Free Staters.

The ANC government talks the talk ("we are all South Africans") but walks differently. I'd be interested in knowing how your pal regards the position of coloureds in the Western Cape - are they held back by the DA leadership which the ANC declares to be a "white" grouping, the Nats in disguise?

Meade

General does this proposed law mean that the South African government would allocate jobs in the country accorded to racial criteria? If it does that sounds like a recipe for economic catastrophe.

[MajGenl.Meade]

The EEA has been in place since 1998. The goal of course is to mitigate the knock-on effects of apartheid by creating equal opportunity for all citizens by requiring companies to employ more non-white, non-male, non-physically/mentally impaired persons.

Who is affected by the Employment Equity Act? Designated employers and designated groups. Designated employers are those who employ 50 or more staff members or whose annual turnover is more than that set down in Schedule 4 of the Act (the figures vary according to the type of industry). The National Defence Force, National Intelligence Agency and South African Secret Service are excluded. Designated groups are blacks (Africans, Coloureds and Indians), women and people with disabilities.

http://www.southafrica.info/services/ri ... equity.htm

The proposed amendment that was causing all the fuss two-three years ago would have introduced a compulsory ratio of what "equal" meant - that is, that all such companies would have a deadline by which they must employ the same ratio of blacks/women/people with disabilities as is reflected in.... the ratio in the entire country, the geographic area, the province....... A national basis would mean that all companies with 50 or more employees should use these ratios (from 2011 census):

Women 51%
Men 49%

African 79%
Coloured 9%
White 9%
Indian/Asian 2.5%
Other 0.5%

A perceived problem of the unamended Act is that Coloureds and Indo/Asians count as "black". Theoretically, without any form of ratio definition by actual race, a company could add only Coloureds and Indians to their white numbers and claim to achieve "equality" in employment practise. This does not help "African" (i.e. really black) consumers of the ANC agitprop. In actuality, as brother Jimmy pointed out, in some places there were "too many" of those non-black people - making 79% "African" employment impossible. Final Solution: find ways to move people around to achieve the "correct" ratios in actual geographic racial distribution.

That amendment did not survive the storm that Manyi's remarks created. It remains the employer's responsibility to devise a plan to ensure that properly qualified non-white applicants are brought into employment and/or promoted - the employer sets their own targets and reports annually (or more often) on the achievement of same. The Department of Labour reviews progress.

It appears that the Constitutional Court frowns upon any case in which an employer (coincidentally ALWAYS a governmental entity) refuses to hire/promote a white employee even when NO other person applies for or is qualified to perform the job concerned. The EEA is supposed to remove the barrier of ethnicity from the consideration of employability - not the barrier of qualification to perform. Some illegal barriers: so-and-so doesn't have a driver's license (even when having one is not a requirement for the job); so-and-so is a woman and hence incompatible with the work force because she doesn't talk about rugby; so-and-so is black; so-and-so is white.

Is there significance in that the National Defense forces, Intelligence and Secret Service forces are exempted from all "equality of opportunity" laws? Enquiring minds need to know

Meade