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Seattle officials call for ban on 'potentially offensive' language

Published August 02, 2013
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Government workers in the city of Seattle have been advised that the terms "citizen" and "brown bag" are potentially offensive and may no longer be used in official documents and discussions.

KOMO-TV reports that the city's Office of Civil Rights instructed city workers in a recent internal memo to avoid using the words because some may find them offensive.

"Luckily, we've got options," Elliott Bronstein of the Office for Civil Rights wrote in the memo obtained by the station. "For 'citizens,' how about 'residents?'"

In an interview with Seattle's KIRO Radio, Bronstein said the term "brown bag" has been used historically as a way to judge skin color.

"For a lot of particularly African-American community members, the phrase brown bag does bring up associations with the past when a brown bag was actually used, I understand, to determine if people's skin color was light enough to allow admission to an event or to come into a party that was being held in a private home," Bronstein said.


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According to the memo, city employees should use the terms "lunch-and-learn" or "sack lunch" instead of "brown bag."

Bronstein told KIRO Radio the word "citizen" should be avoided because many people who live in Seattle are residents, not citizens.

"They are legal residents of the United States and they are residents of Seattle. They pay taxes and if we use a term like citizens in common use, then it doesn't include a lot of folks," Bronstein said.

Seattle, however, isn't the only city with an eye on potentially disruptive words.

The New York Post reported in March 2012 that the city’s Department of Education avoids references to words like “dinosaurs,” “birthdays,” “Halloween” and dozens of other topics on city-issued tests because they could evoke “unpleasant emotions” among the students.

Dinosaurs, for example, conjures the topic of evolution, which could rile fundamentalists and birthdays are not celebrated by Jehovah’s Witnesses. Halloween, meanwhile, suggests an affiliation to Paganism.

Officials said such exclusions are normal procedure, insisting it’s not censorship.

“This is standard language that has been used by test publishers for many years and allows our students to complete practice exams without distraction,” a Department of Education spokeswoman told the newspaper last year.
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This article has to be someone's idea of a joke.

What would the Seattle Office of Civil Rights accomplish with this policy other than to alert people to words they otherwise wouldn't have known should offend them?

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Ugly people every where are celebrating
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Where can this guy eat lunch without offending anyone?

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“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”

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What would the Seattle Office of Civil Rights accomplish with this policy other than to alert people to words they otherwise wouldn't have known should offend them?
I gotta get me one of those jobs. Bet it has a pension plan and medical.

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Has anyone here ever heard of a brown bag being used to admit/exclude african americans? I never have and seriously question if the bag or term was ever used that way, especially since the brown bags I am familiar with don't resemble any complexion I am aware of. It's a "brown bag" because it's a bag and it's brown.

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Evidently it was used as a color test of some sort.

I really can understand the point buuuuut...

Ooops that shoulda been can't
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Well it would serve for keeping anyone from jersy shore spoiling the party.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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I've been "brown bagging" my lunch for years. Sometimes the bag is brown, sometimes white, sometimes it's a plastic supermarket bag. Never heard of brown bag used in relation to race.
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Oldr evidently it's something from the days of slavery.

As Big RR pointed out obscure to say the least...
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Obscure, or possibly even made up in recent times; I'm not sure. Googling does produce some (unsubstantiated) references to the use of a brown bag as a color test, but I've seen no definitive evidence to demonstrate that it's true.

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http://www.ideafinder.com/history/inven ... perbag.htm

A real term or not it would have had to be coined after 1852...
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It's not obscure, it's a pretty common expression in the African-American community (see also "high yellow"), but I have only ever heard it used within that community as commentary on social class, colorism and "passing," -- never actually used as a "test" by whites who, let's face it, would not likely admit blacks to their circles no matter how pale the complexion, if they were considering "race" as a criterion (see, e.g., the "one drop" rule). You folks need to get out more -- or maybe watch some Spike Lee movies.
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I thought he called them "joints"
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Sue--Spike Lee? I don't think I'd use him as a source; his films are replete with mistakes/fictions put in to drive the plot (one need only look at the Malcom X film to see that). If you have heard it used in the black community in the context you described, do you have an idea how long it has been used that way? Again, I could see a brown bag being used as some sort of comparitor of color since they are ubiquitous, but I fail to see it's use as offensive (anymore than calling a Crayola crayon brown would be).

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Well, I know I heard it used more than 20 years ago when some friends of mine were describing the Jack & Jill Club, which until that time I had never heard of.
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Jack and jill club; now there's something I haven't heard about for a long time (I remember a PBS documentary on it around 15-20 years ago or so)--I wonder if it still exists.

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Apparently it does: http://jackandjillinc.org/.

I guess the reason I was hearing about it back then was that there was a resurgence of the organization. From the Chicago Trib in 1992:
In its heyday, Jack and Jill was a prestigious club for those then considered, almost literally, the cream of black society. Through its emphasis on mainstream social and cultural activities, Jack and Jill indirectly helped black children, many from lighter-skinned families, to fit into white America. But, not surprisingly, as the black power movement gained momentum in the 1960s, Jack and Jill increasingly became viewed by some within the black community as frivolous and elitist. Membership fell off.

In recent years, however, Jack and Jill has caught a second wind-but this time with a new mission that reflects the isolation felt by many blacks living in predominantly white suburbs. Instead of helping blacks assimilate into white culture, the organization is seeking to instill a sense of ethnic pride in suburban black children.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992 ... n-chapters

My friends -- middle class suburban black women -- were discussing the pros and cons of joining Jack & Jill and other black social organizations so that their kids would see more black people. The joke was that they weren't sure they'd actually meet black folks in Jack & Jill.
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I have "brownbagged" my lunch since elementary school. It is a term widely and commonly used. PC folks can go fork themselves.

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