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Santorum now obsessing about what leftists do in the shower

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If anyone had any doubts that rabid homophobia is the result of unresolved homoerotic feelings, then Rick Santorum's musings about what goes on in men's shower rooms should put them to rest:


They make it uncomfortable for students who come to Austin to shower at a Young Men's Christian Association — YMCA — gym, because they live it.
WTF??????

Apparently someone has been spending a lot of time hanging around men's showers watching leftists "living it".

And he's thinking of running again in 2016. Oh please, please, yes!! That mouth is the gift that keeps on giving for whomever is the Democratic candidate.


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That is a tad peculiar... :?
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Nuttier than squirrel turds.

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Most of the time, when a politician badly garbles what they are saying, I'm pretty good at piecing together what it was they were intending to say....

That's pretty tough in this case...

I think I've sorted out his overall intent; he's talking to a group of local conservatives somewhere and he's trying to get them to get more involved and inspire them to "work harder" to push the conservative agenda, and to get those who might only care about one issue on the agenda to work for it in it's entirety.

And to do this he's trying to make the case that the reason liberals are achieving their goals on a range of public policy issues (particularly social issues) is because they "care more" that they have more passion on the issues and focus on all of their issues, not just one. And thus if conservatives want to carry the day, they are going to have to do what he says the liberals are doing.

Agree with it or disagree with it, I'm pretty sure that's what he was trying to convey....

But I've watched the first part now three times, and I'll be damned if I can figure out how the YMCA shower thing fits into this...

It looks like he's saying that in the YMCA showers, lefitists are proselytizing naked strangers about the leftist agenda; abortion, gay marriage, socialized medicine, and whatever else is on the leftist agenda these days....

I'll admit that it's been a long time since I was in a YMCA shower, but I have serious doubts that this is going on in YMCA showers....(In Austin or anywhere else)

In my experience, I have not found the showers at men's gyms to be hot beds of lively conversation of any sort, let alone intense political polemics....

It seems like he must have left out something he intended to say before he moved into that bizarre segway....
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I've been a YMCA member for decades and I've never been proselytized in the shower or elsewhere. Nor have I proselytized.
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Lord Jim wrote:Most of the time, when a politician badly garbles what they are saying, I'm pretty good at piecing together what it was they were intending to say....

That's pretty tough in this case...

I think I've sorted out his overall intent; he's talking to a group of local conservatives somewhere and he's trying to get them to get more involved and inspire them to "work harder" to push the conservative agenda, and to get those who might only care about one issue on the agenda to work for it in it's entirety.

And to do this he's trying to make the case that the reason liberals are achieving their goals on a range of public policy issues (particularly social issues) is because they "care more" that they have more passion on the issues and focus on all of their issues, not just one. And thus if conservatives want to carry the day, they are going to have to do what he says the liberals are doing.

Agree with it or disagree with it, I'm pretty sure that's what he was trying to convey....

But I've watched the first part now three times, and I'll be damned if I can figure out how the YMCA shower thing fits into this...

It looks like he's saying that in the YMCA showers, lefitists are proselytizing naked strangers about the leftist agenda; abortion, gay marriage, socialized medicine, and whatever else is on the leftist agenda these days....

I'll admit that it's been a long time since I was in a YMCA shower, but I have serious doubts that this is going on in YMCA showers....(In Austin or anywhere else)

In my experience, I have not found the showers at men's gyms to be hot beds of lively conversation of any sort, let alone intense political polemics....

It seems like he must have left out something he intended to say before he moved into that bizarre segway....
I get the feeling that that the piece was edited to leave out something significant that preceded his comment. Could it have been a leading question? After commenting on the question he was able to turn the discussion back to what he really wanted to talk about.

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The village idiot wishes us to believe that Santorum's comments only appear to be a bizarre non sequitur because they were stripped out of context by some leftist organization trying to make him look bad. Here is the whole speech, listen for yourself and see if it makes any more sense out of Santorum's obsession with what is going on in men's shower rooms. He spends most of the clip talking about William Wilberforce and the fight to end slavery, and linking that to the so-called "pro-life" movement. In their complete context, his musings on what goes on in men's shower rooms seem even more out of place and wacko. And yes, evidence of someone with some clearly unresolved homosexual feelings.
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And he's thinking of running again in 2016. Oh please, please, yes!! That mouth is the gift that keeps on giving for whomever is the Democratic candidate.
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Fair enough, I've said exactly the same thing myself on occasion. P.T. Barnum certainly got it right when he said no one ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the American people. :nana
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Santorum (or someone like him) in the white house scares the hell out of me.

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Scooter wrote:P.T. Barnum certainly got it right when he said no one ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the American people. :nana
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He's awkward, no doubt, but the point he is making or trying to make is that the reason the "Left" has been successful is that they care more about their agenda than their opponents -- e.g., "they live it". They are willing to push their viewpoint even in uncomfortable situations, including the showers at the YMCA. That's how I understood what he was trying to say. Obviously, he could have made his point with better examples and a more coherent argument.

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Sue U wrote:
Scooter wrote:P.T. Barnum certainly got it right when he said no one ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the American people. :nana
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Long Run wrote:They are willing to push their viewpoint even in uncomfortable situations, including the showers at the YMCA.
Really? Care to provide us with some examples?

It was an incredibly stupid thing to say, but it's pretty obvious why his mind went there looking for an illustration for his argument.
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Well I just sat through the entire speech that Scooter linked to...

And now I'm even more confused...

Since he specifically referenced "Austin" in his YMCA digression, I assumed this speech was taking place in, well, Austin...

But no...

This speech was delivered in downtown DC...(to a group of young conservative pro-life activists, who were giving him an award...not exactly a hostile crowd that somehow threw him off his game...)

So how the hell did "Austin" get into it? Why did he pick that town? :?: :?
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It's a DC-based group but they were in Austin. This is what sparked the comment.. Basically, after the Y graciously allowed them to use their showers for the week they were in Austin, the group decided that they were going to turn shower time into a pro-life demonstration by having 50 people walk in wearing identical pro-life t-shirts. If the obviously biased reporting on the incident is to be believed, some other patrons complained and the group was not allowed back. But the fact that such biased reporting is willing to admit that much, suggests to me that they engaged in some sort of demonstration or disturbance that got them kicked out. The response from the Y says the group was being "disruptive".

So Santorum takes this incident of a pro-life group provoking a confrontation and turns it on its head. Quelle surprise.
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Okay, now I'm even more confused:
(Manassas, VA) – Students for Life of America (SFLA) is proud to announce that Senator and Mrs. Rick Santorum will receive the 2013 William Wilberforce Leadership Award at the 6th annual SFLA Summer Social. The event will take place between 6:30pm-8:30pm on Thursday, July 25th on the Penthouse Level of 600 14th St. NW, Washington, DC 20005. Tickets may be purchased at www.studentsforlifesocial.com.
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So probably the gathering in Austin was a different event than presenting Mr. Frothy Mixture of Lube and Fecal Matter with his award.

eta - yes, because the story about what happened in Austin is dated July 11 and he got his award on July 25
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Okay, now I think I'm finally starting to understand this.

The speech took place in Washington, but what got Santorum going on the whole YMCA in Austin thing was something the group , Student's For Life had been involved in a couple of weeks earlier:
Anti-abortion group says it was bullied out of YMCA

AUSTIN -- More than 50 members of the anti-abortion group Students For Life met with Congressman Gerg Bonnen (R-Friendswood) at the Texas Capitol Wednesday afternoon.

The mix of high school and college students put together a 30-hour, cross country bus tour, traveling to Austin to show their support of the Texas anti-abortion bill.

"We started planning this only about a week ago," said Students For Life of America Director of External Relations Alexa Coombs. "We're calling it the Students Stand for Life Bus Tour, and so we left from DC. It's a 56 seater, so it was full. We picked up students along the way."

For one week the students planned to rally during the day, shower at the Town Lake YMCA, and then head to a church to sleep.

"We talked to the YMCA before we got here. We had an agreement with them that we would come between 9 p.m. and 10 p.m. every night. Ten is when they close," explained Coombs.

When the group arrived Monday, things went according to plan. They spent the day at the Capitol, then headed to the Y all dressed in blue T-shirts -- the color representing anti-abortion advocates.

"We thought it would be best to go in in shifts and not just have everyone bombard at one time, and so we just wanted to be respectful to them since they were gracious enough to open their facility to us," said Students For Life member Hannah Solem.

"We had absolutely no incidents. They talked to us afterwards and said, 'You guys were great. You were respectful," Coombs added.

But Tuesday morning, Coombs got an unexpected call from the Town Lake YMCA.

"Said, again, 'You guys were respectful. We have no problems with you, in particular, however there were some people that support abortion who talked to our staff, intimidated them.' They actually said that they felt threatened, and they asked us not to come back," Coombs said.

The YMCA released the following statement about the incident:

A story was issued by Fox News Radio today about a misunderstanding that occurred between YMCA of Austin staff and a group of students from the organization Students for Life.

In light of discussion surrounding the issue, the YMCA of Austin is seeking to clarify our position on the matter.

As a volunteer-led nonprofit organization, it is not our intention to inject ourselves into this issue, nor do we take a position on this issue.

We strive to create an atmosphere that is welcoming to all, where people of all backgrounds are comfortable.

That’s what we were striving to do in accommodating the Students for Life group who were in need of a place to shower.

Unfortunately, in this instance, it caused the political debate to come into the Y.

If any person or group enters our facilities and creates an atmosphere that is disruptive, we have an obligation to our members and program participants to ask that person or group to leave or to refuse them access.

There are appropriate places in which to conduct a political debate, and that place is down the street at the State Capitol, not at our YMCA.

We are working directly with Students for Life to find a solution that is acceptable to all parties.

Some YMCA members say the agree with the decision.

"I feel like if the people who are actually members here complained, then it's a good move because people who are members here probably have more say than people that are just showering here," said Alex Gimson, who works out at the Town Lake YMCA.

"I feel like maybe it was a bad move in the first place to let them come over here and take showers if they feel like lit might offend some people," Gimson added. "Politics shouldn't be involved in the gym."

A spokesman for the Y said leaders have offered to let members of Students For Live shower in the Town Lake YMCA at 10:00 p.m., after the facility is closed. Representatives with Students For Life say they want the Y to honor its initial agreement.
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Okay, well this makes what Santorum said somewhat less strange....

He' wasn't just pulling the YMCA thing out of thin air; he was referencing something that would have meaning to the audience he was addressing ...

So now rather than looking completely crazy, what he said looks more like he was grossly misrepresenting something that had actually happened....

Which may be dishonest, but at least it isn't insane...
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This really is classic Santorum, and it's the kind of uncontrollable self-destructive impulse that wrecked his campaign...

When you look at the actual facts of what happened, there was a legitimate case here to be made...

It looks like the members of this group weren't coming into the Y for the purpose of making some kind of scene or demonstration; they weren't chanting slogans or yelling at or accosting people...

They just happened to be wearing the same tee shirts they had bee wearing all day at their rally at the state capitol, when they went to shower...

And some person or persons just didn't happen to like what was on their tee shirts and claimed that it made them feel "intimidated" and the Y caved into that and told them they couldn't use the facility...

It seems to me that the facts make for a good story from Santorum's perspective; a very good case could be made that the Y had acted unfairly towards the group, and he could have used that to illustrate the point he wanted to make about how much clout the "lefites" have...

But of course he doesn't do this. Instead he has to make up a fairytale that has nothing to do with what actually took place, and make himself look like a dissembler rather than someone with an arguable point.
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His choice of language is quite deliberate. To those who knew nothing of what happened, he tried to make it sound as if something untoward had happened to these "students" (read - minors) while they were in the shower. Gee, I wonder what he was trying to get people to believe had happened...
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