Proof of what I have been saying for years!

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Proof of what I have been saying for years!

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Women teachers are holding back boys by reprimanding them for typically male behaviour, according to a study out today.

They are reinforcing stereotypes that boys are ‘silly’ in class, refuse to ‘sit nicely like the girls’ and are more likely to indulge in ‘schoolboy pranks’.

Women teachers may also unwittingly perpetuate low expectations of boys’ academic achievement and encourage girls to work harder by letting them think they are cleverer.


Schools should avoid dividing pupils into ability groups because the practice often results in girls dominating the higher-achieving tables, concluded the Kent University research.

The study of primary schools in the county suggests that under-performance among boys in most national exams could be linked to lower expectations.

The research mainly implicates women teachers, since nearly 90 per cent of primary school teachers are female. It warned that school staff find boys’ play, such as wielding toy guns, ‘particularly challenging and difficult’.

Boys are punished and urged to conform to a more feminine style of play instead of being taught how to play responsibly with their preferred toys.

Bonny Hartley, the study’s lead author, said: ‘By seven or eight years old, children of both genders believe that boys are less focused, able, and successful than girls – and think that adults endorse this stereotype. There are signs that these expectations have the potential to become self-fulfilling in influencing children’s actual conduct and achievement.’

Girls as young as four think they are cleverer, try harder and are better behaved than equivalent boys, her study found.

By the age of seven and eight, boys also believe that their female classmates are more likely have these qualities.

For the study, 238 children aged four to ten were presented with a series of scenarios such as ‘this child is really clever’ and ‘this child always finishes their work’.

They were then asked to point to a picture of a boy or a girl to say which they thought was being talked about.

The findings show that from the first year of school girls said their sex was more likely to record better conduct and achievement.

From the age of eight, boys were also more likely to say that girls had better performance, motivation and effort, self-control and conduct.

In the second part of the study – being presented today at the British Educational Research Association annual conference at Warwick University – the children were asked if adults believed boys or girls were cleverer and better behaved.

From an early age, girls believe grown-ups think girls have better conduct and achievement.

Boys develop the same beliefs around the age of eight.

The study drew no distinction between the beliefs and classroom practices of male and female teachers.

Further research by the same team will consider the specific gender stereotypes held by teachers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... sroom.html
For years now I have been saying that reverse gender discrimination, where men and boys are seen as and portrayed as being stupid, lazy, unthinking and uncaring, while the old values of masculinity have been relegated to "useful for opening tins, or going to war", has meant that men and boys are under achieving and becoming second class citizens.

The whole emphasis on "getting in touch with your feminine side" and having value and modes of living which are female orientated (metrosexuals anyone?) is creating a society too far swung to the female side.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”

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M'eh. Live with it. I believe we are just coming out of a few hundred centuries of chauvinistic behaviour. Tis time for a little 'right'-siding.
Bah!

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What is this "typical male behaviour" for which boys are being inappropriately reprimanded?
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Not paying attention in class I would wager. Not particularly a behaviour that any teacher should put up with whether it comes from a girl being or a boy being.
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Scooter wrote:What is this "typical male behaviour" for which boys are being inappropriately reprimanded?
It warned that school staff find boys’ play, such as wielding toy guns, ‘particularly challenging and difficult’.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”

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And since when is it appropriate to be playing with guns (or dolls or Easy Bake ovens, for that matter) in the classroom?
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It may be in play breaks, lunchtime etc, I'm sure it wouldn't be during class.
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IMHO what I see from a Latina perspective is a male child's ego is overfed in the home, which then has to be countered by public education that says all students are equal; check our ego at the door.

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The Hen wrote:M'eh. Live with it. I believe we are just coming out of a few hundred centuries of chauvinistic behaviour. Tis time for a little 'right'-siding.
What Hen said.

<insert BigRR comment about reverse gender discrimination here>
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That explains why so many men want to marry each other nowadays.

They had too many women teachers when they were growing up.

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Without us the state of science or technology would never advance. My wife will tell you that the only driver for improvement in surgery (incl. OB/Gyn surgery) is male.



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Joe Guy wrote:
They had too many women teachers when they were growing up.
These days that should read " They were had by too many women teachers when they were growing up."
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”

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I thought, you thought that was a good thing?

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Guinevere wrote:
The Hen wrote:M'eh. Live with it. I believe we are just coming out of a few hundred centuries of chauvinistic behaviour. Tis time for a little 'right'-siding.
What Hen said.

<insert BigRR comment about reverse gender discrimination here>
It's nice to know my views are sopredictable. :lol:

Actually, though, i think what Gob said is a valid observation; men and women (boys and girls) are wired differently, and it makes little sense to try to turn one into the other. Ater all, diversity makes us much stronger than forced assimilation, whether tha assimilation is payback for generations of discrimination, or just the actions of some who think the differences do not exist.

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Well said BigRR, damn well said!!!!
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”

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I'm quite confident that rectifying centuries of discrimination is something far different than "forced assimilation." There is nothing wrong with differences, but we have far to go in how we recognize and respect differences, yet still treat everyone with equal rights and equal dignity.
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we have far to go in how we recognize and respect differences, yet still treat everyone with equal rights and equal dignity.
Indeed we do.

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So... Equality or a little 'right siding'...

Do we get to know which you lot actually want? :D

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Or is this another case of "If you can't figure it out for yourself don't expect ME to tell you..."

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Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?

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Nope, we're tryin' to tell you; are you tryin' to listen?

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I'm hearing "equality' and "a little right siding". Which is it?
Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?

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