Motorcycle Rampage

[liberty]

Intimidation may be fun for some, but it is not a good idea.



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Shocking Photos of the Biker Left Paralyzed by SUV After Mob Ride

As new details come to light regarding the huge group motorcycle ride through New York City that left one biker in a medical coma and an SUV driver sustaining injuries from a beating, the family of the comatose biker have released hospital photos.
Edwin Mieses, 32, was apparently left paralyzed after being run over by an SUV whose driver was beaten by bikers during Sunday's huge group ride in New York City. Family and Facebook photographs, published in the Daily News and elsewhere, show a badly injured man, left in a medically induced coma.

The SUV driver, Alexian Lien, ran over Mieses when a group of bikers surrounded his SUV after he tapped the back wheel of one motorcycle. Lien has not been charged with a crime, as police believe he felt threatened. Two bikers, Christopher Cruz and Allen Edwards, have been arrested. The ride, which consisted of hundreds of bikers and ranged over the city throughout Sunday, was loosely organized by the stunt video site Hollywood Stuntz.

New Story of Motorcycle Rampage Emerges as One Biker Turns Self In
One of the motorcyclists involved in this weekend's violent New York City road rage incident, in which dozens of bikers clashed with a man in an SUV on the West Side Highway, has turned himself in to police as authorities continue investigating just what the hell happened.
New York's NBC 4 reports that an unnamed man seen punching the rear window of Alexian Lien's Range Rover turned himself in at a Queen's precinct earlier today. Police had already taken into custody 28-year-old Christopher Cruz, who they allege started the confrontation by swerving in front of Lien's vehicle and slamming on his brakes, causing Lien, who had his wife and child with him in the car, to nudge his back tire. That bump precipitated the real deterioration of the interaction.
Police claim that, after Lien pulled over following the fender bender, the motorcyclists began to damage his car, smashing it with their fists and helmets and slashing the tires, according to the New York Daily News. To escape, Lien slammed on his gas pedal, running over at least three motorcycles and a man, Edwin Mieses, who suffered two broken legs and is now in a medically-induced coma (Mieses' family say the 32-year-old has also been paralyzed from the waist down).
Cruz and other motorcyclists would embark on a high-speed chase to catch the fleeing Lien. That ended when the bikers surrounded the car, smashed out the driver's side window, pulled Lien from his seat, and assaulted him.
There is now an argument between Mieses' family and authorities about whether Lien will be charged with a crime. "He just ran into my son," Mieses' mother told the Daily News. "Where's the justice for my son? He's never going to walk again."
Police say they don't expect Lien to be charged, as the reason he fled so recklessly was because he feared for his family's safety when the bikers attacked his car.
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[Jarlaxle]

That video is the best argument I have ever seen for legalizing sawed-off shotguns.

[liberty]

The accused says: Your honor, all I did was scorched him with the blow torch it’s not my fault that he jumped off the building and landed on a little old lady. All we were doing was having a little fun with him. What is wrong with that?


Everyone has the right to be left the hell alone to go about their business.

[Econoline]

That video is the best argument I have ever seen for legalizing sawed-off shotguns.

For what? For the asshat biker gang? The guy in the Range Rover already had an extremely deadly weapon.


Or do you think that shooting a few of them--as opposed to running over a few of them--would have somehow defused the situation?

I guess if a few of the asshat bikers had had sawed-off shotguns, they could have just shot the family in the Range Rover and then the whole incident would have been over much sooner, and they could have quickly gotten back to their mobile asshattery demonstration...

[Jarlaxle]

I think seeing one of their fellow feral thugs get a load of 00 buck in the throat from 18" away might have made the rest of them think twice before pursuing.

And sadly, the one that he actually DID run over will survive, though he's crippled.

[Econoline]

OTOH, there were enough of them that they still might have pursued the guy--and then, most likely, killed the whole family. "Crippled for life" works for me...after all, I AM just an old liberal softie...

[Sean]

Really? The biker deserves to be paralysed or worse for this?

You guys amaze me sometimes...

[Crackpot]

You did read the article didn't you? "Deserves" is strong language perhaps but actions do have consequences and he was clearly in the wrong.

[Sean]

Of course I read the article CP. I also understand very well that actions have consequences, reactions and sometimes overreactions.

They don't always balance either...

[oldr_n_wsr]

These guys give the rest of us bikers a bad name.
I have seen this type of "biking". Soemtimes they shut down a whole portion of the roaway so they can do their stunts. Sometimes they come up on a car and surround it (I'm thinking this is what happened here) and cause the car to go at their rate of speed. They will purposely slow down then speed up. The driver can't go right or left as there are bikers on either side of him. If he tries to slow down the bikes behind him gun the engines and honk their horns. No win situation.

[Jarlaxle]

OTOH, there were enough of them that they still might have pursued the guy--and then, most likely, killed the whole family. "Crippled for life" works for me...after all, I AM just an old liberal softie...

I was hoping he'd die...that way, the rest of the thugs would be on the hook for felny murder!

[Jarlaxle]

These guys give the rest of us bikers a bad name.
I have seen this type of "biking". Soemtimes they shut down a whole portion of the roaway so they can do their stunts. Sometimes they come up on a car and surround it (I'm thinking this is what happened here) and cause the car to go at their rate of speed. They will purposely slow down then speed up. The driver can't go right or left as there are bikers on either side of him. If he tries to slow down the bikes behind him gun the engines and honk their horns. No win situation.

Solution: STAND on the brakes with both feet! Can you say "splat"?

I'm ready to start carrying a pound of nails or a can of ball bearings in my console!

[Crackpot]

Of course I read the article CP. I also understand very well that actions have consequences, reactions and sometimes overreactions.

They don't always balance either...

To quote The Princess Bride:

Who said life is fair?

Actions have consequences those consequences do not necessarily relate to the action heck sometimes you even get rewarded for stupidity

Does it balance that I have to live my life with a scar on my cheek because I kept scratching at a pimple before I even had a sense of self? Does it balance that because of a moment of stupidity I had my pinky finger crushed and the resulting damage I get to look forward to increasing pain and discomfort as I get older? (Not to mention the aesthetic and functional issues I already deal with? Does it balance that because of who I married I really don't have to work?

You seem to be asking for a sense of immediate cosmic justice that doesn't exist in any major religion.

edited to correct autocorrects.

[liberty]

I am sorry that the cyclist was paralyzed but I don’t blame the deriver he was merely responding to the fight or flight instinct that we all have. Attempting to protect one’s family and person from an apparent threat should never be a crime or even actionable in civil court in a case like this.

It now appears the driver “Lien” is Chinese by heritage, wealthy and was driving an expensive SUV none of which is relevant to this situation except to emphasis the fact the it doesn’t matter; everyone has the right to be left the hell alone. Actually being wealthy adds an additional concern of kidnapping.

[liberty]

One can’t judge by appearance a lot of motorcycle enthusiast are good people who obey the law and do the right thing.

[dgs49]

Is there any indication that the broken biker was one of the troublemakers? Or was he just the one who happened to get run over?

I have ridden in my share of group rides, but never saw anyone intentionally interfere with any four-wheelers. That strikes me as not only obnoxious but incredibly stupid. 5,000 lbs (Range Rover) vs 450lbs (crotch rocket)? Not good odds.

Dare I infer that essentially all of the bikers were members of so-called "minority groups"? The only such gangs I've seen in NYC fit this demographic.

[Joe Guy]

All of those minority groups are obnoxiously stupid. Especially when they're on bikes.

I'm surprised they even know how to ride one.

[liberty]

http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/10/jerem ... age-video/

But according to the Boston Globe, Mieses was a "habitual traffic offender":

Though Mieses is a Massachusetts resident, he has never had a valid Massachusetts driver’s license for a passenger vehicle and has never applied for a motorcycle license, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said. Registry records show that Mieses applied for a learner’s permit in 1999 and 2000, but that he never obtained a full license because he failed to pay fines imposed after he was ticketed for speeding in Lawrence in 1999. ... Since 1999, he has been ticketed by police 16 times .... In June, the Registry notified the National Driver Register that Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show.


I hope the guys is not paralyzed: Young people are bad about do doing stupid things, but then some learn from their mistakes and change.

[Sean]

Of course I read the article CP. I also understand very well that actions have consequences, reactions and sometimes overreactions.

They don't always balance either...

To quote The Princess Bride:

Who said life is fair?

Actions have consequences those consequences do not necessarily relate to the action heck sometimes you even get rewarded for stupidity

Does it balance that I have to live my life with a scar on my cheek because I kept scratching at a pimple before I even had a sense of self? Does it balance that because of a moment of stupidity I had my pinky finger crushed and the resulting damage I get to look forward to increasing pain and discomfort as I get older? (Not to mention the aesthetic and functional issues I already deal with? Does it balance that because of who I married I really don't have to work?

You seem to be asking for a sense of immediate cosmic justice that doesn't exist in any major religion.

edited to correct autocorrects.

How on earth did you manage to draw that conclusion from what I posted? I think what's happened here is that you've gone off on a tangent about your own injuries and then projected those thoughts on to me.

I simply expressed surprise (and more than a little disgust) that some of our members think that this guy deserves paralysis or even a death sentence for what he may (or may not for that matter) have done.

[Crackpot]

Some? I count two. one is Jarl and if that surprises you at this point I really don't know what can be done for you. The other is econoline he was obviously sarcastically responding to Jarl.

You then go on a tirade calling us all insensitive jerks because the "punishment doesn't fit the crime" tough shit happens.