The trouble with religion

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The trouble with religion

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is that some folks just like to shoot off their mouths

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One problem is that people tend read and interpret the Bible in line with personal prejudices.
I expected to be placed in an air force combat position such as security police, forward air control, pararescue or E.O.D. I would have liked dog handler. I had heard about the dog Nemo and was highly impressed. “SFB” is sad I didn’t end up in E.O.D.

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liberty wrote:One problem is that people tend read and interpret the Bible in line with personal prejudices.
I would think that is true no matter what we read.

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oldr_n_wsr wrote:
liberty wrote:One problem is that people tend read and interpret the Bible in line with personal prejudices.
I would think that is true no matter what we read.
It is my sincere hope that the Technician reading the nuclear maintenance manual interprets writing of the engineer exactly as he wrote it; there are some things of which an open interpretation is not acceptable, the Bible is one of them.
I expected to be placed in an air force combat position such as security police, forward air control, pararescue or E.O.D. I would have liked dog handler. I had heard about the dog Nemo and was highly impressed. “SFB” is sad I didn’t end up in E.O.D.

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liberty wrote: It is my sincere hope that the Technician reading the nuclear maintenance manual interprets writing of the engineer exactly as he wrote it; there are some things of which an open interpretation is not acceptable, the Bible is one of them.
It is my sincere hope that the engineer who wrote the nuclear maintenance manual for power plants didn't describe the process with the use of metaphors.

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It is my sincere hope that the Technician reading the nuclear maintenance manual interprets writing of the engineer exactly as he wrote it; there are some things of which an open interpretation is not acceptable, the Bible is one of them.

Given how long ago the bible was written, and how our understanding of natural processes and medicine, e.g., has changed, is that even possible? For example, are we to believe that epileptics and insane persons are possessed by demons? I don't think so.

The bible was written for an audience much different from us in many ways, and looking at it critically and interpreting it is necessary to understand it. It's like if an earlier nuclear maintenance manual refers to a green valve; even if you don't have a green valve, you can still infer which valve is meant by that recitation by the language and context.

Either that or we will need an entirely new bible as often as we need new maintenance manuals.

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The disturbing thing about the Bible is how easy it is for people to justify whatever it is that they want to justify - while quoting chapter and verse from the Bible to support their case.

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"Jesus Wept"

It was true then, and it's more true today than ever!

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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dgs49 wrote:The disturbing thing about the Bible is how easy it is for people to justify whatever it is that they want to justify - while quoting chapter and verse from the Bible to support their case.
Hmmm, that sounds interesting. Can you actually cite such justification and the chapter and verse involved?

Perhaps slavery and the "sons of Ham" - but details please

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"Thou may useth this book in order to proveth what thou wilt."

Crackpotians 7:11
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Ah yes...

The Gospel According To Crackpot....

I believe that's one of the apocryphal gospels...

Even the Zoroastrians rejected it...

At the The Council at Nicaea it was placed in the same category as The Gospel According To Lenny, The Gospel According To Amber, and The Gospel According To Some Dude I Just Met, Partied With, And Let Him Crash On My Couch...

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Joe Guy wrote:
liberty wrote: It is my sincere hope that the Technician reading the nuclear maintenance manual interprets writing of the engineer exactly as he wrote it; there are some things of which an open interpretation is not acceptable, the Bible is one of them.
It is my sincere hope that the engineer who wrote the nuclear maintenance manual for power plants didn't describe the process with the use of metaphors.
y = ax [exponent]2[/exponent] + bx + c
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Rick wrote:y = ax 2 + bx + c
Now, that's certainly open to interpretation.

Is the "2" a coefficient or an exponent? Or maybe a typo? Or does it denote a footnote which you forgot to include, or which you placed on some other page (at the end of the internet?)? :nana
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How in the world does one create an exponent?
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Simply by getting rid of one's ponent.
Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?

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Anyhow what I posted was a metaphor for a parable, it's the equation (less the superscript) for a parabola.

I thought it was humorous
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I knew what you meant...just funnin' wit'cha... ;)



P.S. I think you meant "y = Ax² + Bx + C" but I have no idea how to do that either... :mrgreen:
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Hmmmm
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OK Meade, I'll play. Exodus 22:18--Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. A 2 pointer there--it says that persons who are witches exist, and that it is proper to kill them as we should not let them live and go one doing their witchy things. Featured many time throughout history, including in Salem. Are there persons who have special powers as witches that we can, and should, freely do so? I don't think so, but past religious leaders insisted on it.

There are verses used historically to justify slavery, anti-miscegenation laws, abstaining from medical treatment (like the Jehovah's witnesses discussed below on blood transfusion), refraining from artificial birth control, refraining from masturbation, the divine right of monarchs to rule, etc. No, they're rarely the only interpretation that can be drawn from the words, but they are interpretations that have been used. Face it, with any collection of writings as broad as the bible, that's bound to happen.

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Err you really should check your facts there rr
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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