Any thoughts on the new vapor trend to replace smoking? Currently legal to take in nicotine via the "e-cig" even indoors. I think most employers and businesses will want no part of this in their buildings, but I can see bars saying welcome. A friend's son used these to stop smoking; still nicotine addicted but left behind much of the more harmful effects of smoking. My guess is that when the research is done there will likely continue to be some negative health effects in the vapor, but far less than in cigarettes. In the meantime, it is kind of a wide open market.
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oldr_n_wsr
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I think the "Mayor of NO" has banned them just like regular cigarettes.
Mayor of NO = Bloomberg.
Mayor of NO = Bloomberg.
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I use e-cigs when I am in places where I wouldn't usually be able to smoke - I've always got one in my bag & there's another in my car. Occasionally I need to take volunteers in my car on longish journeys and my smoking habit whilst driving is going to be the hardest one to break so rather than get all stressed out I ask beforehand if they object to me using the e-cig, no one has so far so we're all happy.
One thing I will say is that the e-cig CAN help with not smoking this from a 30 yr smoker with multiple failed quitting attempts behind her who has tried pretty much every method out there. I WAS a 2 pack+ a day smoker 18 months ago and have rarely ever been less than a pack a day gal but the past 18 months has seen me go from over 2 packs a day to 3/4 of a pack a day and maintain it much to everyone's astonishment. I've done as a combination of not smoking cigarettes in the house at all - I go outside and when its raining or effing cold then I used the e-gig for a quick hit, and by choosing to have a hit from the e-cig to take the edge off the nicotine craving rather than go for a full cigarette, now I don't really need the e-cig hit I can go several hours between fags even when sat at the pc (which was where I smoked the most previously).
When we were planning our recent trip to Florida the hotel we chose was non-smoking - now this would have previously been a big problem but I emailed them before booking to ask about their policy on e-cigs and was told they were allowed in the rooms but not the public areas which was fine by me (as it turned out I never needed to use it in the room) and I could smoke real cigarettes in the grounds. Similarly all of the parks only allow smoking in designated areas which is great when those areas are where you happen to be but at Epcot there were only 2 and they were ruddy miles apart so I had a couple of hits on the e-cig and bobs yer uncle.
One thing I will say is that the e-cig CAN help with not smoking this from a 30 yr smoker with multiple failed quitting attempts behind her who has tried pretty much every method out there. I WAS a 2 pack+ a day smoker 18 months ago and have rarely ever been less than a pack a day gal but the past 18 months has seen me go from over 2 packs a day to 3/4 of a pack a day and maintain it much to everyone's astonishment. I've done as a combination of not smoking cigarettes in the house at all - I go outside and when its raining or effing cold then I used the e-gig for a quick hit, and by choosing to have a hit from the e-cig to take the edge off the nicotine craving rather than go for a full cigarette, now I don't really need the e-cig hit I can go several hours between fags even when sat at the pc (which was where I smoked the most previously).
When we were planning our recent trip to Florida the hotel we chose was non-smoking - now this would have previously been a big problem but I emailed them before booking to ask about their policy on e-cigs and was told they were allowed in the rooms but not the public areas which was fine by me (as it turned out I never needed to use it in the room) and I could smoke real cigarettes in the grounds. Similarly all of the parks only allow smoking in designated areas which is great when those areas are where you happen to be but at Epcot there were only 2 and they were ruddy miles apart so I had a couple of hits on the e-cig and bobs yer uncle.
If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you may have misjudged the situation.
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Anything that helps people to quit is a good thing.
The regulatory side is going to be interesting. It is definitely a drug and should be FDA-regulated.
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rubato
The regulatory side is going to be interesting. It is definitely a drug and should be FDA-regulated.
yrs,
rubato
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Both should be compulsory benefits of all plans under ACA
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
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The most important question is: Can e-cigarettes cause e-mphysema?
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Big RR wrote:Like alcohol?
In what ways is it like alcohol? In what ways is it different?
Can we think of any?
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Rubato
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Go right ahead, far be it from me to try and constrain your thoughts. Or can you not think of any answers to your rhetorical question?
But my question is not whether these electronic cigarettes are like alcohol, but whether nicotine is a drug which should be subject to FDA regulation or not. Since alcohol is not regulated by the FDA, and since alcohol clearly has significant physical effects, both immediate and long term, why should this be regulated when nicotine is not.
True, alcohol has not traditionally been regulated by the FDA, but then neither has nicotine, which comes under the ATF, not the FDA. If there is a reason why use of these e-cigarettes changes that in your view, and why these should be treated as delivering a drug while alcohol is not regulated the same way, I'd love to hear your words of wisdom.
Personally, I think these devices give some of the pleasures of smoking, including the delivery of nicotine, to the user in a way that is far less offensive to third parties than traditional cigarettes and cigars. I see no reason to bring them under the control of the FDA. But do opine.
But my question is not whether these electronic cigarettes are like alcohol, but whether nicotine is a drug which should be subject to FDA regulation or not. Since alcohol is not regulated by the FDA, and since alcohol clearly has significant physical effects, both immediate and long term, why should this be regulated when nicotine is not.
True, alcohol has not traditionally been regulated by the FDA, but then neither has nicotine, which comes under the ATF, not the FDA. If there is a reason why use of these e-cigarettes changes that in your view, and why these should be treated as delivering a drug while alcohol is not regulated the same way, I'd love to hear your words of wisdom.
Personally, I think these devices give some of the pleasures of smoking, including the delivery of nicotine, to the user in a way that is far less offensive to third parties than traditional cigarettes and cigars. I see no reason to bring them under the control of the FDA. But do opine.
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E cigs are banned from my work place, although nicotine patches and/or nicotine gum is not.
Go figger
Go figger
Sometimes it seems as though one has to cross the line just to figger out where it is
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So you sense now that alcohol is a poor comparison and now wish to retract it? Good.
Many drugs started out as natural products and have been brought into the regulatory fold as the dangers of mis-use have become better known. One reason for regulation is the standardization of dosage.
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rubato
Many drugs started out as natural products and have been brought into the regulatory fold as the dangers of mis-use have become better known. One reason for regulation is the standardization of dosage.
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rubato
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If that's how you read my post, then go right ahead and draw whatever conclusions you whish; others reading my post can similarly draw their own conclusions. But I retract nothing.
As for your second point, how does the electronic cigarette pose any different danger of misuse than the ordinary cigarettes already on the market which are not regulated by the FDA? And how is the standardization of dose any different? You are maintaining that these new "cigarettes" are somehow different than traditional cigarettes and should therefore be subject to FDA regulation, correct? Please explain why.
As for your second point, how does the electronic cigarette pose any different danger of misuse than the ordinary cigarettes already on the market which are not regulated by the FDA? And how is the standardization of dose any different? You are maintaining that these new "cigarettes" are somehow different than traditional cigarettes and should therefore be subject to FDA regulation, correct? Please explain why.