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Econoline
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Re: Well, The First Numbers Are In...

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MajGenl.Meade wrote:Yeah that's why I put it out there. And why isn't it a thing of life that we have to purchase like anything else?
Thank you for that clarification, General. I was out gazing at the stars tonight, and I think I saw the point of your previous post whooshing by, far above my head, and a fine sight it was. (At first I thought it might be the comet Kahoutek, which I've been looking for for years, but alas...)

The question is an excellent and important one, and deserves its own thread, which I will start ASAP--tonight or tomorrow. It actually ought to be in "Philosophy and Religion" but since this started here in "Politics" and since (as in many matters) the politics and the philosophy have become inextricably intertwined let's just leave it here in "Politics".
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rubato
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Re: Well, The First Numbers Are In...

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Decent people are ashamed of what we do to sick people in the United States. :

http://www.texasobserver.org/a-galvesto ... afety-net/
Rachel Pearson: Life and Death in the "Safety Net": "The first patient who called me 'doctor' died a few winters ago.... I met him at the St. Vincent’s Student-Run Free Clinic on Galveston Island. I was a first-year medical student then, and the disease in his body baffled me. His belly was swollen, his eyes were yellow and his blood tests were all awry. It hurt when he swallowed and his urine stank.

I saw him every Thursday afternoon. I would do a physical exam, talk to him, and consult with the doctor. We ran blood counts and wrote a prescription for an antacid—not the best medication, but one you can get for $4 a month. His disease seemed serious, but we couldn’t diagnose him at the free clinic because the tests needed to do so—a CT scan, a biopsy of the liver, a test to look for cancer cells in the fluid in his belly—are beyond our financial reach.

He started calling me “Dr. Rachel.” When his pain got so bad that he couldn’t eat, we decided to send him to the emergency room. It was not an easy decision.

There’s a popular myth that the uninsured—in Texas, that’s 25 percent of us—can always get medical care through emergency rooms. Ted Cruz has argued that it is “much cheaper to provide emergency care than it is to expand Medicaid,” and Rick Perry has claimed that Texans prefer the ER system. The myth is based on a 1986 federal law called the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA), which states that hospitals with emergency rooms have to accept and stabilize patients who are in labor or who have an acute medical condition that threatens life or limb. That word “stabilize” is key: Hospital ERs don’t have to treat you. They just have to patch you up to the point where you’re not actively dying. Also, hospitals charge for ER care, and usually send patients to collections when they cannot pay.

My patient went to the ER, but didn’t get treatment. Although he was obviously sick, it wasn’t an emergency that threatened life or limb. He came back to St. Vincent’s, where I went through my routine: conversation, vital signs, physical exam. We laughed a lot, even though we both knew it was a bad situation.

One night, a friend called to say that my patient was in the hospital. He’d finally gotten so anemic that he couldn’t catch his breath, and the University of Texas Medical Branch (UTMB), where I am a student, took him in. My friend emailed me the results of his CT scans: There was cancer in his kidney, his liver and his lungs. It must have been spreading over the weeks that he’d been coming into St. Vincent’s.

I went to visit him that night. “There’s my doctor!” he called out when he saw me. I sat next to him, and he explained that he was waiting to call his sister until they told him whether or not the cancer was “bad.”

“It might be one of those real treatable kinds of cancers,” he said. I nodded uncomfortably. We talked for a while, and when I left he said, “Well now you know where I am, so you can come visit me.”

I never came back. I was too ashamed, and too early in my training to even recognize why I felt that way. After all, I had done everything I could—what did I have to feel ashamed of?

UTMB sent him to hospice, and he died at home a few months later. I read his obituary in the Galveston County Daily News.

The shame has stuck with me through my medical training—not only from my first patient, but from many more. I am now a director of the free clinic. It’s a volunteer position. I love my patients, and I love being able to help many who need primary care: blood pressure control, pap smears, diabetes management. We even do some specialty care. But the free clinic is also where some people learn that there is no hope for the chemotherapy or surgery that they need but can’t afford. When UTMB refuses to treat them,it falls to us to tell them that they will die of diseases that are, in fact, treatable. ... "

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Re: Well, The First Numbers Are In...

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oldr_n_wsr wrote:I have yet to hear of any peoples premium being cut, and especially by $2500 dollars ($200 a month less? what I could do with that).
Then look around more.
No one can yet say precisely how Obamacare will affect insurance costs, but mounting evidence suggests it will slash them for many Americans. In New York, Governor Andrew Cuomo announced Wednesday that people buying their own coverage will see prices fall by more than half when the state’s new insurance exchange opens this fall. And in a new report released Thursday, analysts at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services found that next year’s rates are coming in nearly 20% below projected levels in the 11 states where insurers have posted their offerings.
A tiny percentage of consumers will receive cancelation notices, and of them, more than 70% will get new, more secure coverage that ends up costing them less.

They’re not, in other words, victims. They’re beneficiaries.
Many Americans who buy their own health insurance will get a tax credit of nearly $2,700 next year per family, according to new research by the Kaiser Family Foundation.

The credits or subsidies, which will vary depending on household size and income levels, will be offered to help these people obtain coverage through the state insurance marketplaces made available under the framework of Obamacare. The non-partisan group estimated that credit will cover 32% of the premiums on average in the “silver plan” for about 26 million lower-income individuals.

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About half of people who currently have individual market coverage – approximately 48% – will be eligible for the tax credits.

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Americans who currently lack health insurance will also be eligible for subsidized prices in the new marketplaces.
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rubato
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Re: Well, The First Numbers Are In...

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The numbers continue to increase. With recent updates from California and a few other states:

Exchanges = 211,426 Medicaid = 716,707

Total actual enrollments = 928,133 And moving quickly.

http://obamacaresignups.net/

Apparently the "disaster" is only for ACA opponents who will have to explain to their constituents why they want middle class sick people to become poor and sick poor people to die when someone else is offering to pay for it.


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