Happy Thanksgiving

[Lord Jim]

[Lord Jim]

And happy Hanukkah:

Hanukkah & Thanksgiving fall on same day

WEST HARTFORD, Conn. (WTNH)-- For members of the Jewish community, November 28th will be a two holiday day. That's because this year, the first day of Hanukkah also coincides with Thanksgiving.

It hasn't happened since the 19th century

The sounds of a dreidel spinning will soon be heard in Jewish homes throughout United States.

"The importance for us is to remind us sort of that, you know in this playful game, the importance of studying and learning and of sort of being able to keep your roots and your traditions," said Rabbi Michael Pincus, Congregation Beth Israel.

The first night of Chanukah starts at sundown, kicking off an eight day festival of lights.

Among those celebrating is Rabbi Michael Pincus of congregation Beth Israel in West Hartford.

"Chanukah is a 2,000 plus year old holiday in the Jewish calendar that celebrates our religious freedom and Thanksgiving after a defeat of the Syrian Greeks," said Pincus.

For those that celebrate, Chanukah is a special time of year, but in 2013 it may be a little more special because it falls on the same day as Thanksgiving.

Call it Thanksakah if you will.

Chanukah and Thanksgiving have many things in common. For one thing the word "hodu" in Hebrew means thanks which is also the same root word for turkey. Coincidence? I think not.

The question everybody wants to know is if there are two holidays, what's going to be on your Thanksgiving table?

"Great question, hopefully the best of both holidays. We'll have our turkey and we'll have our latkes and we'll get to celebrate together," said Pincus.

If you're hoping to celebrate Chanukah the next time it falls on Thanksgiving, the odds aren't in your favor, the two holidays wont line up again like this for nearly 80,000 years.

Its safe to say, you'll have better luck at getting gimel at a game of dreidel.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Happy Thanksgiving LJ et al.

[Crackpot]

my Thanksgiving won't be happy until my mom leaves.

[Lord Jim]

See the first image in the OP, CP...

We're going to one of Kelly's aunt's house in the city for day...(This a win-win; we don't have the mess at our place, nor do we have a long drive)

She only lives about a 20 minute drive in town from here, so it will be easy to leave if things become tedious...

We're just bringing some appetizers, a couple of side dishes, and a couple of bottles of vino...

In addition to the earlier mentioned ramakis, I'm also making my mother's italian dressing recipe, (I make it every year; since we're not doing the bird, it will be cooked in a casserole) a platter of shrimp, and Kelly is making a cranberry sauce with cilantro and diced jalapeno....

What plans do other folks around here have?

[Sue U]

Never gets old.



We're having butternut squash soup/stew, roast turkey with cornbread and sausage stuffing, brussels sprouts, mashed potatoes, roast sweet potato wedges, steamed onions, sauerkraut and sausage (apparently, Baltimore Germans serve 'kraut & sausage for every holiday regardless), cranberry business, pumpkin pie and apple pie. We'll have latkes tomorrow.

[Gob]

What plans do other folks around here have?

Guess



ETA:

The coincidence this year of Thanksgiving and the start of Hanukkah is very unusual - it last happened in 1888. But in a way it's fitting, as American Jews have been embracing Thanksgiving for more than two centuries.

By the time the first of eight candles in Jewish menorah were lit on Wednesday evening for the start of the Jewish festival of Hanukkah, the country was largely closed down for Thursday's Thanksgiving holiday.

According to the most commonly cited calculation, not only has this not happened for 125 years, but it won't happen again for more than 70,000 years.

That is because the Jewish calendar is shifting in relation to the Gregorian calendar very, very slowly... at a rate of four days every 1,000 years.

This year's alignment has given rise to a curious new amalgam: Thanksgivukkah.

The term was coined, and trademarked, by a marketing specialist called Dana Gitell, who teamed up with an online Jewish gift shop to sell T-shirts and other memorabilia.

Among the items on sale are a "menurkey" - a menorah shaped like a turkey - designed by a nine-year-old New Yorker, whose family say they have sold thousands at $50 a piece.

There's a Facebook page with more than 13,000 "likes", a #Thanksgivukkah hashtag on Twitter, and a large number of YouTube music videos of varying quality.

Perhaps the most common online discussion topic is food, and ideas for "mash-up" recipes that combine festive delicacies from both sides - from potato latkes with cranberry applesauce to rye pumpkin pie.

All this has brought to the surface the longstanding affection for Thanksgiving among American Jews.

"American Jews love Thanksgiving and celebrate it every year with the rest of America," says Gitell.

Whereas some Jewish families might not take part in Halloween or Christmas, Gitell says she doesn't know any Jewish family that wouldn't celebrate Thanksgiving. "I think that Thanksgiving is generally considered kosher by all Jews," she says.

This is partly because Thanksgiving is generally seen as a secular, national holiday in which people honour family and community, regardless of ethnic group or religious denomination.

It is also popularly associated with pilgrims giving thanks for their new life in America, where they could practise their religion freely.

In that respect, some see similarities with the story of Hanukkah, which celebrates the miraculous lighting of the menorah in Jerusalem's Holy Temple after the victory of the Maccabees against the Syrians in the 2nd Century BC.

Though several rabbis have expressed reservations about Thanksgiving, and one even stated his opposition to eating kosher turkey, Rabbi Levi Shemtov, director of the Washington office of the ultra-Orthodox Chabad movement, says there is "nothing adverse to anything Jewish or contradictory to Judaism" in Thanksgiving.

"For that celebration to happen - as we are in our religious calendar celebrating our own religious freedom, as it was achieved in ancient times - makes it only that more emphatic," he says.

US history has also been deployed to firm up the links, right back to the use of rabbinic texts used by Puritans to thank God for their safe arrival in America.

After George Washington proclaimed the first nationwide Thanksgiving celebration in 1789, the preacher at New York's oldest congregation, Shearith Israel, gave a Thanksgiving sermon and instructed his congregation to observe the holiday.

The service was unprecedented in the history of Jewish liturgy and prayer, says Allan Nadler, a professor of Jewish studies at Drew University in Madison, New Jersey.

"The creation of a Hebrew religious service to commemorate a non-Jewish holiday, a holiday whose origins have nothing to do with the Jews - that's quite remarkable."

Their immediate adoption of Thanksgiving is also an example of how "Jews in general embraced everything American with real fervour", says Nadler.

"The way in which the Jews immigrated to America in the 19th Century - especially the mass wave of Russian Jews at the end of the 19th Century - the speed with they acculturated themselves and rose up economically and intellectually in universities I don't think has any parallel."

Historically, Hanukkah was a relatively minor Jewish festival, but it has gained in significance. Gifts are now often exchanged, especially in North America.

"In America it really became important because of the timing - it fitted into the 'festival season'," says Nadler. "For Jews anxious to have cultural bonds and interfaith bonds with their Christian neighbours, Hanukkah was perfect."

Currently on sabbatical in his native Canada, Nadler says he was taken aback after he arrived in the US as a graduate student and was invited by an orthodox rabbi to a Thanksgiving dinner.

He is "feeling a little forlorn" about missing the holiday this year - but he winces at the commercialisation of Hanukkah. And that goes for Thanksgivukkah, too.

[Beer Sponge]

I have already had a Happy Thanksgiving!

[dales]

<BELCH>

pass me another drumstick, will ya?

[TPFKA@W]

We actually had a homecooked Thanksgiving dinner last Sunday at a friend's house so today went to a place called Chapman's and had a brunch/turkey&fixin's buffet. Stuffed to the gills we were.
Just woke up from a turkey induced coma and wishing we had l had some leftovers.

[Lord Jim]

Guess

Well Strop, since I know that this is the biggest holiday on your calendar after The 4th Of July, I assume you had quite a fete...

[Jarlaxle]

Went to my aunt's (Mom's sister) house...it went OK aside from the 90-minute drive each way. Had "turducken", which wasn't bad, and stuffing made with linguica, which I will never eat again.

[Gob]

Let me see if I've got this right; you had turkey, duck, chicken, stuffed with pork?

That whole vegetarian thing didn't work out I take it.

[Scooter]

[Lord Jim]

That's disturbing on so many levels...

[Joe Guy]

That's disturbing on so many levels...

I agree...

It should have been cooked.

[rubato]

We've been getting together with a group every year for 23 years, and longer than that for my spouse. This year and for the past 4 it was at our house. It's moved from place to place as the group has moved. 4 different homes in S.C. and then to Sacramento twice. Back here again.

Some have come and gone. A couple has passed away and their sons moved to Seattle, although they came back for two years. There are some who drift in and out as the flow of their lives allows.

It is a great annual event.

Some members of the group are people I see every week and others only once or twice a year. its a nice way to mark the flow of time. One has completely retired. Wait, two now. Three have children in college. Some have gone through the death of parents and some are not yet there. Brothers and sisters have worked the advances of time too.

A holiday which is only good. A bit of food (this year my talented wife did a lot of the cooking) some nice wine, a little champagne, the glow of friendship. And the expectations of the rest of the holiday season together.

I give thanks every year for wonderful friends.

yrs,
rubato

[Gob]

There were several incidents of retail-related disorder across the US:

In Chicago, a police officer shot a suspected shoplifter driving a car that was dragging a fellow officer at a Kohl's department store. The suspect and the dragged officer were treated in hospital for shoulder injuries. Three people were arrested, reports the Chicago Tribune

A shopper in Las Vegas who was carrying a big-screen TV home from a Target store on Thanksgiving was shot in the leg as he tried to wrestle the item back from a robber who had just stolen it from him at gunpoint, reports the Las Vegas Sun

At a southern California Walmart store, a police officer's wrist was broken as he tried to break up a fight between two men in the queue outside; there were two more fights over goods inside, reports the San Bernadino Sun

A 23-year-old man was doused with pepper spray and arrested after he allegedly attacked a police officer responding to an argument over a television at a Walmart in Garfield, New Jersey, reports the Star-Ledger

Despite Walmart's pledge to overhaul its crowd-control measures, scenes of mayhem such as this one were apparently filmed at a store in Fort Worth, Texas

Two arrests were made after a man was stabbed in an argument over a parking space at a Walmart in Virginia, reports local television station WVVA

[oldr_n_wsr]

Played football (the Turkey Bowl) with my high school friends (and our sons and people who have become friends in the 30+ years since we graduated HS) in the morning, same as we have since 1972. I have only missed one game in 1985 the year my son was born and it snowed thanksgiving eve and the wife was afraid to drive to her parents house. Normally I would meet them there after the game.

Then we went to my in-laws for turkey and all teh trimmings. About a 10 minute ride from my house. Then it was off to my cousins house for desert to see my side of the family (about a 30 munute drvie)

All in all a nice day.
Hope everyone had a great day and a good kickoff to the coming holiday season.

PS
I even went shopping on thanksgiving day. Kmart around the corner from me was having a sale on toaster ovens (ours broke) and I stopped in before going to the turkey bowl and picked a new one up.