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George Will gives another master class in bullshit reasoning

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George Will gives another master class in bullshit reasoning

Which goes a long way towards explaining the often painful attempts at "reason" we get from the RW apologists:


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... ttier.html
George Will Keeps Getting Nuttier

By Jonathan Chait

George Will hates climate science, and everything that springs from climate science, including any non-carbon-intensive mode of transportation, like fuel-efficient cars, or, heaven forbid, trains. Will’s column today celebrates his belief that Americans are once again disproving President Obama’s Big Government Social Engineering by flocking to ever-larger and less-fuel-efficient vehicles:
Have consumers thanked him for trying to wean them from their desire to drive large, useful, comfortable, safe vehicles that he thinks threaten their habitat, Earth? The 2013 numbers tell the tale of their ingratitude. In 2013, for the 32nd consecutive year, the best-selling vehicle was Ford’s F-Series pickups. This supremacy began, fittingly, in the first year of Ronald Reagan’s deregulatory presidency.
It is nice, in these dark socialist times, that Will can still detect the flicker of freedom in the hearts of Americans flocking toward Reaganite Freedomcars. And it is true that the Ford F-Series is the single best-selling vehicle in the U.S. But the single best-selling vehicle by itself accounts for less than 5 percent of all vehicles sold. The single most popular item on a long list does not, by itself, tell you what all customers want. (To explain this concept in terms Will might understand: If the Yankees have the biggest television audience of any baseball team, it would not prove that most baseball fans love the Yankees.)

So, are Americans on the whole flocking toward gas-guzzling vehicles? No, just the opposite (via Brad Plumer): (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... light1.jpg)

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Americans are also driving less in general. Will can rest assured that, even though Americans do not share his weird mania for emitting greenhouse gasses to spite Barack Obama, they aren’t cutting back for political reasons, either. The steady increase in fuel efficiency has occurred largely because the government has raised fuel-efficiency standards.

Even if Will didn't have his facts backward, the larger point is that his analysis of transportation choices as a cultural struggle is bizarre and wrong. Will considers climate science a gigantic hoax, and obviously nothing is going to change his mind. Yet he takes his mania a step further by failing to understand that Democrats actually do believe in climate science, and are not merely pretending to believe it as a pretext to enlarge their nefarious control of the populace.

Hence he regularly propounds crackpot arguments such as “the real reason for progressives’ passion for trains is their goal of diminishing Americans’ individualism in order to make them more amenable to collectivism.” In fact, Democrats don’t want to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions because they want to alter people’s transportation choices. They want to alter people’s transportation choices because they want to restrict greenhouse-gas emissions.
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This time Will is just incoherent and dumb, often he just lies.


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Link added. Up there at the top.
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Let me guess, you agree with this article?
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”

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You are free to support Mr Will. I won't think a bit worse of you for it.





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Never heard of the guy, and no intent to start supporting him.

You do agree with this article then?
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”

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The one statement I would take issue with: "The steady increase in fuel efficiency has occurred largely because the government has raised fuel-efficiency standards." (Don't you think the cost of fuel might have something to do with consumers' decisions to buy more fuel efficient vehicles?)

I really liked this line: "To explain this concept in terms Will might understand: If the Yankees have the biggest television audience of any baseball team, it would not prove that most baseball fans love the Yankees." Spot on.
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Don't you think the cost of fuel might have something to do with consumers' decisions to buy more fuel efficient vehicles?)
You nailed it.
I would bet that the price of fuel is the number 1 cause of people buying more fuel efficient vehicles. I would guess that 99% of car buyers care little about the carbon footprint of the car they choose to buy. Sure they will give it lip service but in the end, money talks. Especially now with wages stagnating, unemployment/underemployment very high, and more money being grabbed in hte form os taxes and fees by the gov.

Cost, cost and cost are the three major things most people think about when buying a car. Cost of the vehicle itself. Cost of running the vehicle (aka how much gas does it use daily) and Cost of maintenance.

If there was a car that got 100mpg, was reletively cheap yet had a very huge carbon footprint (because of what it takes to build and the materials used) people would still flock to it.

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Spot on!
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The steady increase in fuel efficiency has occurred largely because the government has raised fuel-efficiency standards.

Don't you think the cost of fuel might have something to do with consumers' decisions to buy more fuel efficient vehicles?)

Perhaps, but then the car companies developed more fuel efficient cars, hybrids, and even electric cars in response to stricter fuel efficiency governmental standards. I doubt we would be where we are in relation to efficiency without them. Even the bigger SUVs are much more efficient than they were.

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Fuel efficiency has been a priority for a long time. Perhaps the biggest change is that the domestics finally started adding luxury (read: a tithing above bare minimum entry level trim) to their small cars.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Indeed it has CP, as has the governmental regulation ratcheting up the mpgs expected.

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Red herring taken out of context. The point being made by George Will was that the tax credit for the Chevy Volt had not moved sales. This was one of several examples of government regulation/incentive that were not working as intended. However, supporters of the goal of the regulation/incentive, rather than change tactics in the face of failure, unpopularity or unnecessary conflict, cling to their support because of the symbolic value of the government regulation/incentive. Thus, the point made by Chait, who obviously has a strong antipathy toward George Will, actually supports Will's point. The factors driving improved mileage and reduced emissions come from a government regulation mandating improved mileage of all cars, the cost of fuel and the reduction in driving by Americans. The fleet mileage standards is an effective government regulation and has a substantive impact, unlike the Volt tax credit, which doesn't move behavior and provides a tax savings to the handful of wealthy people who buy the car.

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The Volt is a nice little $20,000 car which unfortunately costs close to $40,000.
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With the highest (or close to the highest) electric rates in the country, don't think many Volts are being sold on LI. I have not seen any. Maybe if I take a trip out to the Hamptons I might see one. For the average person, "soccer moms" in SUVs still rule.

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The Prius has become the commuter car of choice, much like the VW bug in the 70's.

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