Hit dis hand - c'mon, hit dis hand!

[Scooter]

You're free to rewrite history as much as you like; however, there was NEVER any pressure by ANYONE here to have Quad leave, in fact MANY people who had no use for him nevertheless stated unequivocally that they did not wish to see him gone. And if loCA wanted our approval, she sure had a funny way of showing it, and her own actions did her in, because MANY posters who were adverse to banning anyone on principle were so disgusted by the way she put people's real lives in jeopardy that they assented to tossing her in the end.

And if you need to believe that animosity towards you is fuelled by some alleged sense of inferiority in the face of your awesome knowledge and reasoning power, then go right ahead and think that. I for one get my jollies watching those with delusions of grandeur preening like peacocks even when they have been thoroughly plucked.

[rubato]

You're free to rewrite history as much as you like; however, there was NEVER any pressure by ANYONE here to have Quad leave, in fact MANY people who had no use for him nevertheless stated unequivocally that they did not wish to see him gone.

Until he was forced out by JG. Right? And up until then he was a general punching bag. Rather helpless and hapless and easy to attack. I didn't write that history. You-all did.




yrs,
rubato

[rubato]

"... And if loCA wanted our approval, she sure had a funny way of showing it, and her own actions did her in, because MANY posters who were adverse to banning anyone on principle were so disgusted by the way she put people's real lives in jeopardy that they assented to tossing her in the end.
... " .

Loca leaked a need for approval out of every pore and tried numerous times to engage on an different level. All of those were either ignored or deliberately mis-interpreted to justify the hatred. She was a sad pathetic person.

Attacking her, which was done with great vigor and joy by many, was like attacking someone with down's syndrome.

yrs,
rubato

[rubato]

"...

And if you need to believe that animosity towards you is fuelled by some alleged sense of inferiority in the face of your awesome knowledge and reasoning power, then go right ahead and think that. I for one get my jollies watching those with delusions of grandeur preening like peacocks even when they have been thoroughly plucked.

I am frequently surprised by people's poor ability to infer motives and mental states in other people. As I am here. I think the animosity is fuelled by your evil natures, by your need to hate someone. What else?

You see how easily you invented a mental state in someone else which justifies your shitty behavior? (but cannot be found in the text)


yrs,
rubato

[Joe Guy]

[Daisy]

Dragging the Quadriver and loCAtek shenanigans into this mire is merely a diversionary tactic.

I was heavily involved in the machinations that resulted in both those posters no longer posting here. And I can assure you that fairness and mediation was applied where THIS board was concerned. Both of those situations ended up affecting lives outside of Plan B and that shouldn't be condoned.

[Lord Jim]

I appreciate the effort, Meade, but I don't believe that they are capable of honest self-evaluation or reform. The facts have been pointed out to them periodically by others too.

Like many delusional people they have arrived at a conclusion which suits them emotionally and no application of facts will ever sway them from it. I actually find it very reassuring that such emotionally and intellectually stunted people are on the opposite side on so many issues. In this case they themselves produce, in great quantities, the proof of their own behavior and simply ignore it.

Some people like the experience of, and need, hatred. And they like sharing it with others.

Thanks, anyhow.

Oh no! You dislike me! What will I do? What will I do?


Of course none of them can respond on-point to anything. And they have to make shit up and pretend I said it so they can pretend to respond. So there's that.


And this is the same group whose prior achievements are mobbing and ganging up on helpless people like Quad and Locatek who actually wanted your approval, so there's that too. I know what your approval is worth.


yrs,
rubato

This is what you "just ignore him" types have wrought...

Perhaps now we can look at the " everybody telling rube he needs to knock it off" option?

[MajGenl.Meade]

no one is ever going to convince me that the best way to deal with that behavior is to ignore it and hope it will stop.

If you honestly believe, (despite the evidence) that ignoring this guy's crap throwing is the best approach, fine. But as I said, it seems to me the least you can do in that case is not jump in with criticism of those who have rejected that course.

Or folks who, (bizarrely in my view) have somehow managed work out that there's some sort of "equivalence" between the two...

LJ, may I compare those three quotes posted in reply to my OP with what my OP actually said?

It's one thing to respond to rubato (or me or anyone) to say "That's not right". That's fair game and I don't think it's right for anyone to complain if that happens in "their" thread

I'm not saying someone shouldn't be called to task when particularly offensive - but it's so much better when one does it with simple statements of fact. "You're a poo-face" isn't a fact - it's pathetic playground behaviour

There is no "moral equivalence" issue here

(a) What do you call it when rubato claims someone has posted exactly the opposite of what they actually did post?

(b) rubato did not for one moment (and is far too smart to) believe that I was "defending" him. Anyone who believes that I did is drawing an erroneous conclusion based upon limited or prejudiced understanding.

(c) I know you are capable of confronting rubato very efficiently without the ad hominem language - more power to you. So am I but it took a long time to cleanse my OP (and this one) of using similarly unhelpful and childish tactics

Meade

[Lord Jim]

rubato did not for one moment (and is far too smart to) believe that I was "defending" him.

And what, pray tell, leads you to that conclusion? Especially since the evidence of his own words indicates the exact opposite? (And of course there is on top of that no evidence that I'm aware of that rube is "far too smart" to believe any damn fool thing, and plenty of evidence to the contrary. In addition to being a vicious misanthrope, rube is also a man of deeply mediocre intellect. )

It's possible of course that rube is lying when he indicates that he believes your post supports him, (among his many other fine qualities he is also an inveterate liar) but he's also dumb enough to sincerely believe it. I'd say it's probably a 50-50 shot as to whether it's stupidity or dishonesty that's in play here. (That's frequently the case with rube.)

But whether the explanation is stupidity or dishonesty, the fact remains if you hadn't posted anything about this, he wouldn't have been able to seize on it for validation. And the fact that he would do so, should have been entirely foreseeable to anyone who has watched him in action for as long as you have.

I remain completely and totally flummoxed as to why you started this thread. It's not like this is the first time we've discussed this; you had to know what the responses would be, on both sides. What possible "good" could you conceivably have imagined would come from this? Did you think that I and others would now suddenly say, "Well golly, you're absolutely right. The guy who starts all the shit isn't the problem; we are"

Unlike rube, you are a smart guy. How could you possibly not have realized that the only results that would come from this thread would be that some people would get pissed off, (on both sides) and the real source of the problem would view it as validation? These were the completely predictable outcomes. What were you thinking?

Personally if I could wave a magic wand, I'd delete this entire thread. It's far and away the most unhelpful, unnecessary and ill advised thread that has been started around here in a long time.

But I guess it's too late to unring the bell, so I'll make another attempt at having some good come out of it:

Can we try it as an experiment for say a month, it might ramp his twattish posts up for a while but I honestly believe that it will be better for this board if more people used the ignore feature.

Well, since like Rocky says to Bullwinkle, "that trick never works", I propose a different experiment, and it won't take anywhere near a month to find out if it works:

How about everybody finally direct the criticism specifically to the source of the problem directly, and publicly call upon him to knock it off. Tell him you're sick and tired of his constantly derailing threads with his insults and baiting. Let him know that you understand that he is the source of the problem, and if it weren't for his behavior the problem wouldn't exist. Tell to keep his trolling and baiting in his own threads, and not engage in it to muck up totally unrelated topics.

It's really not that hard for you to do. Since I keep hearing about how everyone can control their own behavior, how about if everyone here exercises the control over their own behavior required to type something like that out and click the "submit" button?

ETA:

If anyone needed any more evidence about how completely out in LaLa Land rube is about his own behavior and why he gets the treatment he does, just go back and re-read his posts in this thread...There's some truly bizarre and clinically delusional stuff in there...

Perhaps multiple wake up calls will help him get a clue...

[Lord Jim]

Attacking her, which was done with great vigor and joy by many, was like attacking someone with down's syndrome.

Gee whiz rube, with friends like you...

In regard to rube's attempt to divert focus from his own behavior by bringing up LoCa and Quad, I think both Daze and Scooter nailed it.

While there are a lot of differences between those two cases, (for one thing LoCa was well liked by most posters for years prior to her beginning her obsessive behavior, while Quad never really had many fans) They both decided that they would try to fuck with people's RL lives, and that was clearly out of bounds, whether you liked them or disliked them.

[Lord Jim]

Well, it's now been nearly 24 hours since rube launched his second effort to derail @W's thread, and except for Joe, not a single word of criticism or rebuke from anyone...

But I'd bet the ranch that if I were to go over there and chastise him for it, somebody around here would then manage to find the time to criticize me....

[Daisy]

Ignoring him.... And other than in this thread I'm going to ignore all the posts that attack back.

I'd love to think you all could be the "better men" and disregard his blatant attempts to get a rise from you.

[Joe Guy]

There is some similarity between rubato's and Steve's unraveling, although Steve's downward spiral picked up speed much more quickly...

Both of them are convinced they are a voice of reason.
rubato has enablers.
Steve had Gwenabler.
The mad scientist comes here to sneak away from his wife and pretend to have power when he has none.
The angry electrician's wife left him so he went on line and blew a fuse.
rubato tries to impress us by telling us how he hangs out with his wife's rich friends.
Steve said he knew about government conspiracies taking place because he talked to real people on the streets.
rubato makes outrageous unsupported statements.
Steve supported conspiracies.

etc.

[Lord Jim]

The biggest similarity I see between the two is the way they are in complete denial about there own behavior, and totally blind to the direct cause and effect relationship between their own assholeness and the treatment they receive.

Instead they both concocted a paranoid fantasy theory about "evil natured haters" who just have some sadistic need for "targets". Quad also beleived in the same fantasy.

Some assholes just simply cannot grasp the reality of their own assholeness. so if they're getting a bad reception, it must be fault of some "evil haters"...

Rube exhibited this cluelessness in spades earlier in this thread:

I think the animosity is fuelled by your evil natures, by your need to hate someone. What else?

The answer to that question, "What else?" is blatantly obvious. (All he should need to do is read a few of his own posts to have the answer leap out at him.)But people like rube, Steve and Quad are utterly incapable of seeing it. It's a fascinating psychological disorder.

[TPFKA@W]

I hold you in higher esteem Jim thus to a higher standard. I read a good bit more of what you write than many on here and I don't read much of what Rubswrongbato writes when he becomes abusive. So there.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Did you think that I and others would now suddenly say, "Well golly, you're absolutely right. The guy who starts all the shit isn't the problem; we are"

That is a blatantly false misrepresention of anything that can legitimately be concluded from anything I have stated in this thread or in any other. It is however consistent with many other false statements.

I repeat the question you have thus far not answered in the hope that you now will do so:

(a) What do you call it when rubato claims someone has posted exactly the opposite of what they actually did post?


There is no equivalence.

[Econoline]

I hold you in higher esteem Jim thus to a higher standard. I read a good bit more of what you write than many on here and I don't read much of what Rubswrongbato writes when he becomes abusive. So there.

What she said.

[oldr_n_wsr]

I hate no one here. I try to respond to the post not to the person who posted it. I try to be civil in my reponse even when civility was not extended.
But I am human and fail at that sometimes and for that I am sorry and will try to do better. Progress not perfection.

[Big RR]

Jim--if you see the criticism as being a bit one sided, I apologize, but I do expect more from you. And when interesting threads get derailed by flame wars, it does bother me. Sure it's two sides stoking it, but I would think it would one take one to stop.

From the other thread you and CP seem to think that you can change the behavior of rube by responding in kind. I just see no evidence of this; it just seems to feed on itself. If you absolutely feel you must respond, by all means do so, but I would ask that you consider limiting it to one or two posts and then try to continue the conversation with the others addressing the issues (or trying to do so). I always value your input.

[Crackpot]

I try not to respond in kind and I don't call for others to respond in kind what I do do is call him on his crap.

Ass