Auntie Bette not pleased

[Crackpot]

Auntie Bette is not pleased with the direction of this thread

[Lord Jim]

Alas he only mend his behavior when everyone calls him on it. It wasn't until everyone called him on it that he ceased his derision of the middle class

That's exactly right...

When I came back to the CSB after a three year sabbatical, rube had just recently experienced a "forum intervention"...

In response, he was promising to be "17 percent nicer"...

He needs such an "intervention" again...

And he doesn't need to hear it from me, (obviously he won't listen to me)....or from Strop, or from Joe, or from CP, or from Sean or from Meade....(Though Meade keeps changing jerseys; it's difficult to tell which side he's on... )

He needs to hear it from other folks...

He needs to hear: "Go ahead and start all the ' The Republicans are Traitors' , 'Edward Snowden is a hero,' and 'Paul Krugman is God'" threads you want to, but please don't bring your personal attention needing issues into other threads..."

He needs to hear that...

And he needs to hear that from folks other than myself, Strop, CP, Joe, (and maybe Meade...)

This thread is actually a perfect case in point...

What you don't get Jim, and seem incapable of getting, is that some of us ignore the snide aside hoping against hope that others will ignore it

It would be lovely if things actually worked that way, but experience suggests that they don't...

Personally, I found rube's first post in this thread absolutely appalling...even though it was technically "on point", it seemed way out of line...

(He knows nothing about your family, or the interpersonal dynamics involved, and yet he thinks he ought to counsel you to find a "discreet" way to suggest an abortion? Really? What kind of person does that ... )

(I'm just speculating here, but I would guess that a large part of the reason that you niece waited until now to announce her pregnancy (from your posts I understand she's due in April) was precisely to avoid the sort of "you should get an abortion" pressure that she probably would have expected had she said something earlier...)

But nevertheless I held my tongue, (as did everyone else) until he put up the second post...

So ignoring his "snide remarks" accomplished, well, nothing...(except to invite him to express another round of even snider remarks...)

So if you really want to see an end to this, (or at least having it reigned in) what needs to happen is for everybody here to get on the same page and tell him to knock it off...

[TPFKA@W]

So if you really want to see an end to this, (or at least having it reigned in) what needs to happen is for everybody here to get on the same page and tell him to knock it off...

It would also work out if you would knock it off. So here, I am telling you, knock it off. Quit being Rube's little bitch. It's really simple.

[Joe Guy]

Somebody should tell @W about the Foe feature....

(it would be a good thing foe her to use)

[Lord Jim]

So if you really want to see an end to this, (or at least having it reigned in) what needs to happen is for everybody here to get on the same page and tell him to knock it off...

It would also work out if you would knock it off. So here, I am telling you, knock it off. Quit being Rube's little bitch. It's really simple.

Yes, well you're certainly entitled to take that view...

But I sincerely believe that if more folks rose up to call rube on his crap, it would come to an end much more quickly...

I think that the record indicates that's a far more promising strategy then the, "Oh gee if we just ignore him long enough, maybe he'll stop..." approach...

In 16 years of dealing with this guy on three forums, I have seen absolutely no evidence to suggest that "ignore him and he'll stop" has the slightest chance of proving to be a successful strategy...

On the other hand, I have seen universal condemnation have some affect...

[TPFKA@W]

Sixteen years and you have been unable to change his behavior? You would think that with someone as ostensibly smart as you that you would have figured out that he is not going to change. Why not take responsibility for something you can change which is your own behavior. The very least you can do is limit your shit throwing and cock wagging to your own threads and stop shitting all over others threads.

[Crackpot]

No the point is he has changed his behavior when he can no longer believe he is speaking for the silent. that has happened in the past

[Lord Jim]

I'm firmly convinced that the record indicates that CP is 100% accurate about this. However there is clearly a division of opinion here on the best way to deal with this guy's antics, and I don't think either side is going to move the other, so at this point we should probably just agree to disagree. Otherwise we'll just be going around in circles. Everything that can be said on both sides pretty much has been said.

Your niece sounds like a bright young lady, but unfortunately even smart people can occasionally hit the stupid button, (especially when it comes to matters of the heart.) Hopefully she will have the strength of character and support to be able to pursue her promising future (and also hopefully at some point find a guy to share her life with who is less of a waste of space than the child's father appears to be) while still being a responsible parent.

Statistically, yes, the odds are not good, but statistics don't determine the outcomes of individual situations; individuals do. (To me it would seem that giving the child up for adoption would be something to consider, but that doesn't appear to be on the table. My guess is that her mother is likely to be doing a lot of the child raising, at least for the first few years while your niece goes to school.) She's facing a difficult situation, but it's not impossible.

[TPFKA@W]

I really don't know the situation with respect to the baby daddy. ( ugh what a term). Niece's mom is well enough off and great grandparents, my ex-sil and her husband are very very well off financially so I doubt the baby will have any unmet needs materially. Nobody would be ok with the baby being put up for adoption and I expect noone even hinted at abortion.

I will make every attempt to corrupt this child just as I did its mother and siblings.

[Lord Jim]

Niece's mom is well enough off and great grandparents, my ex-sil and her husband are very very well off financially so I doubt the baby will have any unmet needs materially.

Well that's good to hear, that means her odds of successfully accomplishing both child raising and pursuing her education go up a lot...

I will make every attempt to corrupt this child just as I did its mother and siblings.

And just think; pretty soon there'll be a new rug rat running around to trip....

[rubato]

tsk tsk tsk.

It appears that in this case nature has moved past the point of choice and thus the only thing to do is make the best of everything. Things can work out and one should not dwell on the paths not taken after there is no way to change course.

But someone who actually cares for someone would point out the enormous harm which is done to women's lives by having children too young with few resources and little education. It may be a difficult conversation to have but I think one would be remiss not to do so.

But it is a true fact that conservatives try very hard to force women into being trapped by teenage pregnancy, unfit husbands, and single-motherhood. And they succeed. As I have shown many times the highest rates of unwed motherhood are in the most socially and politically conservative states, even correcting for race.

And it is also a true fact that once they are single mothers conservatives (dgs posts are typical) use this as an excuse for making their lives even more miserable and more desperate. The arguments falling either into "if we don't make them suffer then more will do it" or "why should I pay taxes to subsidize their bad decisions".

I am a liberal and I care about outcomes. If a set of values produce a bad outcome then the values are wrong, they are bad values. Conservative 'values' produce the worst outcomes for young women so I try to make the point as clearly and vividly as possible. If it makes you angry perhaps it is because you being shown that there is something wrong with your world view and can't handle it.


yrs,
rubato

[rubato]

[quote="oldr_n_wsr""...

"I paid a shitload of money to give my kids all the advantages why should the kid of some whore get into a good college ahead of them?"
yrs,
rubato

Why do feel the need to insinuate @W's niece is a whore?
And college acceptance should be based on merit, nothing more, nothing less (oh and legal residency in this country).
Also, can the kid be born before we make plans for going to college?
Oh wait, you suggested she get an abortion. I guess college (for the kid anyway) is not a problem.

And sorry @W, I just found his post very condescending and felt the need to respond.

I did not insinuate anything of the kind. You insinuated it and then attributed it to someone else as an excuse not to address the fact that you said you paid for -advantages- for your children and want them to have those -advantages-. Advantages over whom? The children of single parents who don't have the money to buy advantages? Who did not get an education?

Anyway, people tend to define "merit" in a way which flatters themselves.

One of the most accurate predictors of success in life is the level of education of their parents. That is a huge advantage and it is one we could give to nearly all children, and thus give it to all of our future, by paying for education and living expenses for all young women who are willing to do it.

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rubato

[Joe Guy]

If a set of values produce a bad outcome then the values are wrong, they are bad values.

So, let me see....

@W's great great niece got pregnant because conservatives forced her into it.

Have you been drinking your chemicals again rubester?

[rubato]

What I recommended is that, if it were still possible, for someone to have a serious conversation with her about what her choices were and what would be the consequences of each choice. I would recommend also (If it was my niece) telling her that I would provide all the support that I could for her either way. But what she needs is someone who will give her the straight facts without all the hazy romanticism.

So, let me see....

@W's great great niece got pregnant because conservatives forced her into it.

Have you been drinking your chemicals again rubester?

You not only put words into other people's mouths and make false dichotomies but you do so with a staggering level of stupidity. No wit, no cleverness, nothing.



yrs,
rubato

[Joe Guy]

[rubato]

And the sun still shines, having no alternative, on the nothing new.


(apologies to Samuel Beckett)


yrs,
rubato

[oldr_n_wsr]

I did not insinuate anything of the kind.

Um uh, yes you did. From your own post.

"I paid a shitload of money to give my kids all the advantages why should the kid of some whore get into a good college ahead of them?"
yrs,
rubato

And my kids stood on their own merits. And had they not gotten into the college of their choice, the blame would not have been placed on some kid getting selected ahead of them for whatever reason.

Advantages over whom?

Why do you think advantages need to be at the expense of someone else? It is not a zero sum game. One kids advantage of a good education does not stop another kid from the same.

I taught my kids to stand on their own two feet. Sure we gave them help and guidance, but at the end of the day, they either earn what they get or they don't get it. Not because someone else took (or was given) it.
They happen to have a healthy does of personal responsibility (sometimes to a fault).

The children of single parents who don't have the money to buy advantages? Who did not get an education?

Anyone who does not get a basic education has only themselves to blame. Last time I checked k-12 is supplied to any and all in this country.