Rhetoric is lovely, but you don't engage in that sort of slash and burn of welfare benefits without hurting people who really need it.
A previous provincial gov't tried it here - making people work for benefits, forcing drug addicts into treatment to continue receiving benefits, etc. - it was a disaster. Even after seven years of remediation, the increase in homelessness and in the numbers of mentally ill and addicted turning to crime to support themselves is still visible. And the barriers that prevented people on benefits from re-entering the workforce did not magically disappear.
Someone said once that the poor would always be with us. He also said we would be judged by how we treated them. A generation of children simply thrown away onto the garbage heap is an inevitable legacy of such drastic cuts.
To cut poverty, we must cut also welfare
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"Hang on while I log in to the James Webb telescope to search the known universe for who the fuck asked you." -- James Fell
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Gee, I don't know, but it sounds to me from that like they're getting ready to put together a reform program very similar to the 1994 Welfare Reform Act, that despite much wailing and gnashing of teeth from the welfare industry, wound up having an enormously positive effect here in the US.Mr Osborne said: "There are five million people living on permanent out-of-work benefits. That is a tragedy for them and fiscally unsustainable for us as a country - we can't afford it any more.
"Of course, people who are disabled, people who are vulnerable, people who need protection will get our protection, and more.
"But people who think it's a lifestyle choice to just sit on out-of-work benefits - that lifestyle choice is going to come to an end. The money won't be there."
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"people who think it's a lifestyle choice to just sit on out-of-work benefits - that lifestyle choice is going to come to an end."
Oh...NICE!
Re: To cut poverty, we must cut also welfare
It's easy to claim it was enormously successful when it coincided by happenstance with the biggest economic boom since the 1940's.Lord Jim wrote:Gee, I don't know, but it sounds to me from that like they're getting ready to put together a reform program very similar to the 1994 Welfare Reform Act, that despite much wailing and gnashing of teeth from the welfare industry, wound up having an enormously positive effect here in the US.
"Hang on while I log in to the James Webb telescope to search the known universe for who the fuck asked you." -- James Fell
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Something should be done to stop arseholes like this one getting a free ride.
After fathering eight children by eight different mothers Keith Macdonald should be enough to put women off men for life.
But despite his appalling track record the 25-year-old is now expecting his ninth and tenth child - by two more women.
The binman's son - dubbed Britain's worst dad - first became a father at the age of 15 and has since abandoned each child.
By the time his latest offspring are born Macdonald will have fathered 10 children by 10 different mothers in just 10 years.
And since all the mothers and children are largely dependant on benefits it is likely to cost the taxpayer £1.5 million by the time they are all 16.
Yet unemployed Macdonald, who lives on £44 a week income support and wakes up with a can of lager each morning, contributes just £5-a-week to their upkeep.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z100taRkMS
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
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My god...
Benefits tourists are set to get the green light to come to Britain and immediately claim handouts totalling £2.5billion a year.
According to documents leaked to the Mail, ministers have been warned that restrictions on claims by immigrants are against the law and must be scrapped. The European Commission's ruling threatens to open the door to tens of thousands who are currently deterred from coming to Britain.
At the moment, a 'habitual residency test' is used to establish whether migrants from the EU are eligible for benefits. To qualify for jobseeker's allowance, employment support allowance, pension credit and income support, they must demonstrate that they either have worked or have a good opportunity to get a job.
But after receiving a complaint that the rules infringed the human rights of EU citizens, the Commission began to examine them.
In a letter seen by the Mail, it warns that the restrictions are 'not compatible' with EU law. It says: 'EU law leaves it to member states to determine the details of their social security schemes and social assistance schemes, including the conditions on awarding benefits.
‘However, when making use of this competence, member states have to comply with the fundamental principles of EU law, such as the right to equal treatment on the basis of nationality. Having examined the “right to reside” test... it is not compatible with different legal provisions of EU law.’
The letter, written to the individual who made the complaint and copied to the British government, is dated last December, but Whitehall sources claim ministers in the outgoing Labour government failed to argue against the proposals.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z10mdPphnp
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
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The meaning of this ruling cannot possibly be that someone can come from any EU country to the UK and claim benefits, because that is so clearly against the intent of EU rules. Once again the Daily Mail is fearmongering by being vague about what precisely about the habitual residency test was found wanting.
"Hang on while I log in to the James Webb telescope to search the known universe for who the fuck asked you." -- James Fell
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The USA is getting a grip;Gob wrote:Something should be done to stop arseholes like this one getting a free ride.
After fathering eight children by eight different mothers Keith Macdonald should be enough to put women off men for life.
But despite his appalling track record the 25-year-old is now expecting his ninth and tenth child - by two more women.
Yet unemployed Macdonald, who lives on £44 a week income support and wakes up with a can of lager each morning, contributes just £5-a-week to their upkeep.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z100taRkMS
A US man accused of fathering 23 children with 14 women and has been sent to prison for at least two years for failing to pay tens of thousands of dollars in child support.
"Animals procreate. Human beings are supposed to nurture their children," Kent County Circuit Judge Dennis Leiber said in Michigan.
Howard Veal, 44, of Muskegon, owes more than $US533,000 in child support, according to the state attorney general's office. He pleaded guilty in July to owing more than $US60,000 to a Grand Rapids woman.
There are 14 child-support cases pending against him in Kent and Muskegon counties, The Grand Rapids Press reported.
The state has prosecuted thousands of support cases "but none as outrageous as this," Assistant Attorney General Mitchell Wood said in a court filing.
Guidelines called for no more than six months in jail, but Veal was sentenced to two to four years in prison. His release will be determined by the Michigan parole board.
Veal questioned whether he actually has 23 children and said he pays what he can.
"I was paying money from my unemployment," Veal told the judge. "I never chose not to pay."\
http://www.smh.com.au/world/insult-to-f ... 15xzf.html
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”