Redskins "racial slur"?

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Another way of looking at it is that discovering that you have, with no harmful intent, offended someone is an opportunity.
I quite agree...

It's an opportunity for that person who was so ready to take offense where none was intended to examine their need to feel offended, and to grow and mature. It's an opportunity for that person to become a more tolerant individual, and to gain a sense of perspective about what is important and what isn't, and to develop an understanding of the fact that the world doesn't revolve around them and so long as no harm is caused to them, one should "live and let live"...

I try to do this myself...

In my case I strive very hard not to be offended by morons...(I'm not always successful, but "progress, not perfection"...)

Which is why I'm not going to reply further to your post...
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Lord Jim wrote:
Another way of looking at it is that discovering that you have, with no harmful intent, offended someone is an opportunity.
I quite agree...

It's an opportunity for that person who was so ready to take offense where none was intended to examine their need to feel offended, and to grow and mature. It's an opportunity for that person to become a more tolerant individual, and to gain a sense of perspective about what is important and what isn't, and to develop an understanding of the fact that the world doesn't revolve around them and so long as no harm is caused to them, one should "live and let live"...

I try to do this myself...
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If honor and reason won't get the logo changed, then, as always, perhaps it will come down to the pocketbook . . .

http://msn.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/n ... ays-041614
If negative public opinion about Native American mascots can't dissuade pro sports teams from using them, then maybe a study about the money they're losing because of those mascots will change their minds.

Just how much? It's apparently in the millions of dollars, according to research from Emory University.

It's a lot to go through, but the website Quartz summarizes it this way:


"Examining the financial performance over the past dozen years for four teams -- the Kansas City Chiefs and the Washington Redskins in the NFL, and the Atlanta Braves and Cleveland Indians in Major League Baseball -- revealed the eye-opening result that having a Native American mascot appears to cost professional sports teams millions of dollars in annual revenue -- at least $1.6 million per year in the NFL, and $2.6 million per year for MLB's Braves and Indians.

The methodology behind the study included evaluating colleges that have switched from using Native American mascots -- a much more common occurrence at the amateur level than in pro sports. The researchers concluded that schools that moved away from such mascots generally experienced a small, short-term dip in revenue, but that over time the revenue actually increased.
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Guinevere wrote:If honor and reason won't get the logo changed, then, as always, perhaps it will come down to the pocketbook . . .

http://msn.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/n ... ays-041614
If negative public opinion about Native American mascots can't dissuade pro sports teams from using them, then maybe a study about the money they're losing because of those mascots will change their minds.

Just how much? It's apparently in the millions of dollars, according to research from Emory University.

It's a lot to go through, but the website Quartz summarizes it this way:


"Examining the financial performance over the past dozen years for four teams -- the Kansas City Chiefs and the Washington Redskins in the NFL, and the Atlanta Braves and Cleveland Indians in Major League Baseball -- revealed the eye-opening result that having a Native American mascot appears to cost professional sports teams millions of dollars in annual revenue -- at least $1.6 million per year in the NFL, and $2.6 million per year for MLB's Braves and Indians.

The methodology behind the study included evaluating colleges that have switched from using Native American mascots -- a much more common occurrence at the amateur level than in pro sports. The researchers concluded that schools that moved away from such mascots generally experienced a small, short-term dip in revenue, but that over time the revenue actually increased.
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A $1 to $3 million shortfall for any of those teams first off, means little when they are valued at hundreds of millions (perhas billions) of dollars. Secondly, that small amount can be attributed to the lack of signing the "right" player or having Coors Light as your official beer. Put a winning team on the field and all "fiscal" problems go away and very few care what kind of mascot you have. $1.6 to $2.6 million shortfall because of the name and/or mascot? Ridiculous. Seems like a study that had a conclusion then went and made a case to support that conclusion.

Then they explain their methodology which seems to say, "changing names made little difference, but did increase revenue after a while". One would think there would be an immediate increase as all the people/fans now need new jerseys and beer mugs and banners. And comparing and/or relating college sport changes to pro teams is like comparing apples to kiwis.

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Welcome back
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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... of things going on at the "B." However, knowing that you and I share the same problem, can I assume you were on an unscheduled vacation at "Ashley-By-The-Sea?" If I'm correct, keep in mind "people, places, and things." That's a lot of behavioral modification to consider and exactly why repeat vacations are so prevalent. As innocuous, and friendly, and helpful, as this board may be it might very well be a "trigger" for you. It is a 'place' after all.

Remain vigilant and who know, after 33 years, you too, might have an urge for "just a little taste" only one or twice a day. Stay strong.

Oh, and if I'm wrong... "nevermind."
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RayThom wrote:... of things going on at the "B." However, knowing that you and I share the same problem, can I assume you were on an unscheduled vacation at "Ashley-By-The-Sea?" If I'm correct, keep in mind "people, places, and things." That's a lot of behavioral modification to consider and exactly why repeat vacations are so prevalent. As innocuous, and friendly, and helpful, as this board may be it might very well be a "trigger" for you. It is a 'place' after all.

Remain vigilant and who know, after 33 years, you too, might have an urge for "just a little taste" only one or twice a day. Stay strong.

Oh, and if I'm wrong... "nevermind."
No desire, no obsession. Things are going well. I do "think" about drinking from time to time, but the action is not there. Still go to meetings about 5 times a week although when I feel "off" I go more often. I have four commitments in my home group. Coffee and greeter on monday, big book chair on friday and I am the group secretary. Am in the process of putting all the group crap on the computer. Tired of luggin around the three ring binder that does not have enough space.
Anyway, thanks for the support.

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I took a break from here at the request of another member. At the time I didn't feel like dealing with the crap so I just stepped away. Nothing written here would make me drink again. Just took a break. I did stay in touch with gob (actually he stayed in touch with me and I am grateful he did) during my absence. All is good. Sober today. Got 15 months under my belt. thnaks again for the the support.

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Thanks LordJim
It is now a "way of life". And it's fine.
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bigskygal wrote:Hi oldr! I'm back too! Nice to see you! Image
Good to "see" you too.
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By way of comparison to the Redskins issue (and as alluded to in another thread):
Spurs to consult season-ticket holders on use of Y-word as supporters react badly to FA warning

By Paul Hirst, Press Association

Published: 12:45 EST, 15 September 2013 | Updated: 16:00 EST, 15 September 2013

Tottenham are planning to ask their fans if they think the time has come to stop chanting the Y-word.

For years Tottenham, who have a strong Jewish following, have been on the receiving end of cruel anti-Semitic abuse from opposition fans.

In an act of defiance, some fans of the north London club have coined the word "Yid" themselves, and chants of "Yids", "Yid Army" and "Yiddos" are regularly sung on the home terraces at White Hart Lane.

Last Monday the Football Association (FA) issued a statement warning supporters that use of such words could result in either a banning order or even criminal prosecution.

Tottenham responded by saying they would consult with their fans on the matter, and it has now emerged they will do so in the form of a questionnaire that will be sent out to all season-ticket holders.

'There is a document that Spurs will be sending out to season-ticket holders in due course,' Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Trust (THST) chairman Darren Alexander said.

'It's a questionnaire, and basically what the club want to ascertain is do the fans think now is the right time to be stop using this identity.

'If that comes back and a clear majority of fans think: yes, now is the time, then we move forward and we will work actively with the club if they want us to and we will think about how is best to do that.'

Tottenham fans reacted defiantly to the FA's statement on Saturday as they chanted "Yid Army" and "We'll sing what we want" throughout the 2-0 win over Norwich.

The same happened last season after Peter Herbert, the head of the Society of Black Lawyers, threatened to report anyone using the phrase to the police.

The THST is unhappy with the way that English football's governing body has brought the issue back on to the agenda, and it insists the fans will be the only ones who decide whether it is time to drop the chants.

'If Spurs fans genuinely are going to stop using this word then it should be our decision,' Alexander said.

'It shouldn't be something that is trying to be forced on us by the FA or Peter Herbert.

'There was a degree of defiance on Saturday and that was always going to happen with the way that the FA has gone about this.

'This is something I have been dealing with for seven years and all of a sudden the FA have gone out on a limb by issuing this statement without proper consultation with the club or the fans.

'There is always going to be the idea among the fans that they are picking on us and that is why that act of defiance happened.'

The FA's warning that any fan who chants the Y-word could be prosecuted under criminal law is muddied by the fact that police would have to prove the person who chants the phrase did so with the intention to cause offence.

'I know it is offensive to some Jewish people, but our focus is the legality of what the FA has announced this week,' Alexander said.

'As far as we are concerned and as far as the police are concerned, unless there is an intent to offend, then you can't be prosecuted.

'We sincerely believe that no Spurs fan ever uses the Y-word or shouts Yid Army in an effort to offend anyone.'

The FA has not responded to requests for a comment on the matter.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z37jfvBLST
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Criminal prosecution for speech that doesn't create an immediate danger (the proverbial "fire' in a crowded theater)? I just don't understand it. But then our laws are different.

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There are plenty of things that "offend" me. But there is no right to "not being offended".
I am not Jewish but I do have many Jewish friends. If it offends them, I have their back.
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I thought it was hte San Antonio Spurs at first :shrug

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I agree with Big RR...
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Aren't the Spurs fans "reclaiming" the name, like rappers reclaimed "nigga"?
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I thought it was hte San Antonio Spurs at first :shrug
I knew immediately that couldn't be...

Everybody knows there are no Jews in San Antonio... :)
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