You Just Can't Trust Them Yankees....

[Jarlaxle]

Silly episode.

The baseball rule is intended to prevent pitchers (or anyone else) putting something ON THE BALL that will affect its flight. Pine tar is not applied to the ball, but rather TO THE FINGERS, so that the pitcher can grip it better. There is no advantage whatsoever to applying pine tar to a baseball; it doesn't affect the flight of the ball at all, and would actually make the spin of the ball more visible. There are products made for bowling that make the fingers a little bit tacky, and if Pin-head-a had used one of those products (they are odorless and colorless) he would have been fine.

That's what the ROSIN is for!

[Lord Jim]

With 70 MPH being considered a "fast ball", (from a running start) bouncing the ball to get it to the plate, and no strike zone to have to hit, a middle aged blind man could probably be a successful pro cricket bowler...

You ought to give it a go then Jim...

The more I look into it, I'm seriously considering it as a career move...

[MajGenl.Meade]

With 70 MPH being considered a "fast ball", (from a running start) bouncing the ball to get it to the plate, and no strike zone to have to hit, a middle aged blind man could probably be a successful pro cricket bowler...

Dale Steyn: 90 - 98mph

And he can chuck it into the batsman's head or any part of his torso for that matter - and the batter can leave the game hurt or face some more.

It's not as if there is some box that a middle aged blind man uses to call "strike" and awards the fat batter his base if the ball misses the invisible box four times or even so much as touches any bit of the batter. Bunch of wimps.

[rubato]

The top 20 pitchers are all faster than the fastest cricket bowler of all time:

http://www.efastball.com/baseball/stats ... r-leagues/

Speed(mph) Method Pitcher
………. ……….
108.1 FFE ………. doppler laser radar ………. Nolan Ryan
107.6 FFE ………. artillery ………. Bob Feller
105.1 ………. Pitch F/X ………. Aroldis Chapman
104.8 ………. Pitch F/X ………. Joel Zumaya
………. ……….
103.4 ………. Pitch F/X ………. Neftali Feliz
(u3) ………. ……….
103.2 ………. Pitch F/X ………. Henry Rodriguez
(u3) ………. ……….
103 * ………. radar ………. Mark Wohlers
Spring Training ………. ……….
102.8 ………. Pitch F/X ………. Kelvin Herrera
(u3) ………. ……….
102.8 ………. Pitch F/X ………. Bruce Rondon
(u5) ………. ……….
102.6 ………. Pitch F/X ………. Jonathan Broxton
102.5 ………. Pitch F/X ………. Bobby Parnell
(u3) ………. ……….
102.5 FFE ………. artillery ………. Steve Dalkowski
102.2 ………. Pitch F/X ………. Brian Wilson
102 ………. Pitch F/X ………. Andrew Cashner
(u3) ………. ……….
102 ………. radar ………. Bobby Jenks
102 ………. radar ………. Randy Johnson
………. ……….
102 ………. TV radar ………. Brad Lidge
………. ……….
102 ………. radar ………. Matt Lindstrom
………. ……….
102 ………. FSN TV radar ………. Justin Verlander
………. ……….
102 ………. radar ………. Armando Benitez
102 ………. radar ………. Robb Nen


http://sporteology.com/top-10-fastest-b ... f-cricket/

Fastest bowler:

01- Shoaib Akhtar

Shoaib Akhtar Bowling Speed: 161.3 kmph ( 100.2 mph )


16 baseball pitchers LAST YEAR threw faster than 100mph.


If there was a cricket bowler who COULD throw in MLB he would already have done it. A lot more money.


yrs,
rubato

[Gob]

Your stupidity is a never ending source of amusment.

A bowler must deliver the ball with a straight arm, they can't "throw" at all, a lot of the speed is contained in the athleticism of the fast-bowlers run-up.

A very different set of muscles are used.

Bowlers may bowl for two to three days of play.

Fast bowlers run in, on average, 25 yards (22m) every delivery, in a day where a bowler sends down 15 overs (with 6 balls in each over), they've run 2250 yards (1980m).

Also, the speed range of bowlers is 40-100 mph and at the various ends of the range you see bowling styles that are almost a different sport.

Then you have the degradation of the ball (which can be used for a full day without being changed) and the same holds true for the condition of the pitch which will change character over the course of 5 days.

In cricket, using the bounce and breakup of the pitch is part of the way in which bowlers vary the attack of the ball.

All of these variables are in addition to the standard finger positions, spin and movement through the air that are common to both sports, but the movement imparted through pitch contact and ball degradation are specific to cricket.

There are twice as many ways to get out in cricket as there are in baseball, which means a variety of bowling style is used.

A standard cricket ball weighs between 5.5 and 5.75 ounces (155.9 and 163 grams), while a standard baseball weighs in at 5.25 ounces (142 and 149 grams).

A cricket ball is also smaller (22.4 -22.9 cm circumference) than a baseball (22.9 - 23.5 cm circumference), which means cricketers are bowling a smaller and heavier ball.

Apples and oranges, but don't let that stop you being stupid.

[MajGenl.Meade]

There are twice as many ways to get out in cricket as there are in baseball, which means a variety of bowling style is used

:

Oh now... 10 ways in cricket.... too many to count in baseball

There are ten ways a batsman can be out - five are very common and five very rare.

More often than not a batsman will be caught, bowled, given leg before wicket (lbw), run out or stumped.

The five other ways to lose your wicket range from the uncommon to the almost unseen.

The uncommon methods, but not unheard of, are hit wicket - when a batsman removes his or her own bails, usually accidentally - and handled the ball - when he handles the ball without permission from the fielding side.

The almost unseen are hit the ball twice (also known as 'double hit') - as it suggests, deliberately hitting the ball twice; obstructing the field - when the batsman prevents fielders from executing a run out or a catch; and timed out, which is when a new batsman takes too long to appear on the field.

It's worth knowing however that for the batsman to be given out, the fielding team have to appeal to the umpire by asking "how's that?"

Baseball: Batter or batter-runner is out
•third strike
1. caught 6.05b 2.00-CATCH 2.00-FOUL TIP
2. uncaught 6.05c
3. foul bunt 6.05d 2.00-BUNT
4. hits batter 6.05f
5. hits runner trying to score 6.05n 5.09h

• fly ball
1. caught 6.05a 2.00 CATCH
2. infield fly 6.05e 2.00-INFIELD FLY 2.00-FLY BALL
3. intentionally dropped 6.05L

•illegal action
1. out of box 6.06a, 5.09d
2. changes box 6.06b
3. doctored bat 6.06d 1.10c-note 5.09d

•see also "runner or batter-runner is out"
•see also "proper batter is out"
•see also "interference"

Runner or batter-runner is out
•force out (or BR out at 1B) 6.05j 7.08e 2.00-FORCE PLAY
•tagged
1.off base 7.08c
2.two runners on one base 7.03
3.see also "force out"
4.see also "appeal"

•appeal
1.doesn't tag up 7.10a 7.08d
2.misses base 7.10b 7.02
3.doesn't return after overrunning first 7.10c 7.08j
4.misses home plate 7.10d 7.08k

•illegal action 1.out of direct line 7.08a1
2.abandonment 7.08a2
3.passes runner 7.08h
4.runs bases in reverse 7.08i
5.(Little League head-first slide 7.08a4)

•see also "batter or batter-runner is out"
•see also "interference"

Proper batter is out 6.07

Interference (cases that can produce outs; see also 2.00-INTERFERENCE)
• by batter 1.double hit 7.09b 6.05h

• by runner, batter-runner, batter, or retired batter or runner 1.batter interferes with catcher 1.batter is out 7.09a 6.06c
2.runner trying to score is out 7.09d 7.08g

2.lane violation 7.09k 6.05k
3.hinders fielder fielding batted ball 7.09L 7.08b 1.call a double play 7.09g 7.09h 7.08b-comment

4.intentionally interferes with throw 7.09L 7.08b 1.call a double play 7.09f 6.05m

5.hit by fair ball 7.09m 5.09f 6.05g 7.08f
6.intentionally deflects foul ball 7.09c 6.05i
7.(Little League collision 7.08a3)

• by other member of offense 1.offensive gathering confuses fielder 7.09e
2.coach touches or holds runner 7.09i
3.coach draws throw 7.09j
4.coach interferes with throw 5.08
5.doesn't vacate space needed by fielder 7.11

• by authorized on-field personnel 3.15
• by spectator 3.16

[rubato]

Baseball, no run-up, still a lot faster.

Baseball, a lighter and larger ball (higher wind resistance with less momentum to overcome it), still a lot faster.

Go argue with children who don't know physics.


If any cricket bowler were able to pitch in the major leagues it would have been done.

yrs,
rubato

[Big RR]

rubato--that would be true if both a baseball and cricket ball were thrown only through the air; but a cricket ball is bounced, rolled a long the ground which has a much greater resistance to the forward motion than the wind does on a pitched baseball. Thus, much of what would otherwise be translated into acceleration is being absorbed to counter the frictional force of the ground. that a baseball moves faster is not all that surprising.

Could a cricket bowler pitch in baseball? Perhaps (they'd clearly be "able to" but the real question is whether they would be effective), but since the dynamics and muscles used are different, I doubt the cricket experience would translate into a better pitcher; ditto for a baseball pitcher attempting to bowl a cricket ball. the m

[Joe Guy]

If any cricket bowler were able to pitch in the major leagues it would have been done.

And if any baseball pitcher were able to be a cricket bowler it would have also been done.

[Lord Jim]

In fairness to rube, (and as everyone knows, I always try to be fair to rube) his point about the cricket bowler is that a cricket bowler who could pitch at the major league level in baseball would do so because he would make a lot more money...

On that basis, It doesn't follow that a major league pitcher would switch to cricket even if he had the skills to do so, since that would represent a big pay cut...

[Big RR]

I don't follow baseball, so I can't speak to salaries, but cricket players aren't exactly starving;

http://sporteology.com/top-10-highest-p ... the-world/

[Joe Guy]

I understand the idea that more money might be made pitching in the major leagues but the rubester implies that a good cricket bowler has less athletic talent than a good baseball pitcher. That's not true since they are very different sports and require different skills.

[Lord Jim]

Well Big RR, that's certainly a lot of money compared to normal human beings, (and it's impossible to tell from that list how many, if any are bowlers) but compared to MLB salaries, it doesn't come close...

It looks like a few of the top players are making serious coin in endorsements, but the salaries are minimum wage level compared to what even average players make in The Majors...

Here's a link to a list of the 25 highest paid players in MLB:

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/mlb/

The top 21 are all north of 20 mil just in salary (no endorsement numbers are included)

And here's the list just for starting pitchers:

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/mlb/tot ... /limit-25/

(This is a pretty cool link because you can put in pretty much any criteria you want to get salary numbers; by team, by position, totals, averages, etc.)

And here's some info on average salaries:

Among regulars at positions, designated hitters took over from first basemen for the highest average at $10.5 million. First basemen were next at $6.5 million, followed by starting pitchers at $6.3 million, second basemen at $5.8 million, outfielders at $5.6 million, third basemen at $5.2 million, shortstops at $4.5 million, catchers at $4.4 million and relief pitchers at $2.2 million.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10158 ... 39-million

The average starting pitcher in MLB has a much higher salary than any player in that list of the top 10 highest paid cricket players...

In fact the average player among regulars for every position have higher salaries, (except relief pitchers, and they're not far behind)

[Gob]

Baseball, no run-up, still a lot faster.

Baseball, a lighter and larger ball (higher wind resistance with less momentum to overcome it), still a lot faster.

Go argue with children who don't know physics.


If any cricket bowler were able to pitch in the major leagues it would have been done.

yrs,
rubato

Did anyone argue that it wasn't faster?

Go argue with children who don't know logic. (or basic English for that matter.)