A nightclub criticised by health officials for selling alcohol for just 10p has responded by putting its prices up to 25p a drink because management want to 'defend people's right to party'.
Bosses at Mamas Paradise in Pontardawe near Swansea, which has previously sold drinks for a penny and says is 'the best night out in Wales', maintains they are responsible despite being criticised over their latest knock down drink deals.
Pictures documenting an evening at the South Wales club show people collapsed inside or being helped home after drinking cheap lager, cider, spirits and alcopops. As they queued dozens of drinkers were even given free shots on their way into the club. Just last month a new report revealed how excessive alcohol caused 29 deaths every week in Wales, which equates to around 1 in 20 of all deaths.
Welsh health chiefs were forced to intervene because of the 10p drinks offer over Halloween, so management have responded by raising their prices by 15p to 25p.
A spokesman for the club said: 'Unfortunately due to the publicity we had on Halloween we can no longer do the 10p per drink. 'We are keeping the price as low as possible to try and defend your right to party. We are still the cheapest night out you will get.'
The club has been caught up in a long standing battle with the licensing officers at Neath Port Talbot over their quest to provide outrageously cheap booze. Thad been charging £12 for entry before selling their drinks for 10p during their 10pm to 1am happy hour, which they say is the same as going on an all-inclusive holiday.
Club bosses have even managed to find a loophole after being told to raise the price of shots of liquor and spirits to 25p. They have stopped charging customers for a 'mixer' so customers will only have to pay an extra 5p. And they have even dropped the the price of their potent Jagerbombs from £2 to £1.50.
The club has been criticised by the local hospital who said they were 'dismayed' by the drinks deals. Paul Roberts, the chief executive of the Abertawe Bro Morgannwg University Health Board said: 'It is irresponsible to sell alcohol so cheaply.
'I call on licensees and the bodies which licence pubs and clubs to consider carefully the effects of encouraging people to drink in excess. 'Not only does it put unnecessary pressure on our services but it is not good for anyone's health to drink to excess, and you are also putting yourself at risk of injury.' Andrew Langford, chief executive of the British Liver Trust, described the 15p price rise as as 'pathetic' and 'nonsensical'. He told MailOnline: 'It really is insulting to anyone who has issues with alcohol. People keep forgetting that alcohol is a Class A carcinogen.
'What would the local council do if shops suddenly slashed the price of cigarettes? 'Despite having being spoken to, this club is still continuing to encourage irresponsible drinking. 'It's had one warning shot - surely this is enough to revoke the licence. It's really a health and safety issue.' Emily Robinson, director of campaigns at Alcohol Concern, said: 'Selling drinks at 25p is not only highly irresponsible, but it encourages people to drink excessively.
'We would expect the local licensing authority to look into this to see if there’s a breach of licensing obligations.
'Bars need to act responsibly in the way they sell and promote booze because alcohol misuse ends up costing us all. 'If the government implemented a minimum unit price that would help tackle the cost of alcohol misuse on society and stop things like this from happening. Neath Port Talbot Council's licensing manager Neil Chapple said there are Government guidelines on the minimum price of alcohol.
He added: 'The licence holder of Mamas Paradise has been spoken to by officers from the licensing authority, who have reminded him of his duty to comply with the conditions imposed on the licence and to ensure that the licensing objectives are not undermined.' The co-owner of Mama's Paradise, businessman Alistair Parker, defended the club's 'all inclusive' drinks policy. He said: 'It's not a case of paying the £12 entrance fee then standing by the bar and downing as much as you can. 'Customers are only allowed two drinks at a time and have to leave the bar to give others the chance of getting served.
'We're properly licensed and have staff at the club who watch if customers are drunk then advise them they have had enough, it's a controlled environment. 'It's similar to all inclusive holidays where drinks are actually free... you don't see people calling for them to be banned.
'The real problem we have is that someone who has reached 18 can go to a superstore, buy several bottles of vodka and down them all if they want to. 'At least in a club situation like ours there are staff looking after people. I was on holiday at the weekend but was told by my staff there were no problems on the Halloween night.
'We have been doing this for two years and people enjoy it. You have to compete with superstores.'
Cheap night out
Cheap night out
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Well, personally I would like to think that the answer to that question would be "Absolutely nothing because they realize it's none of their fucking business. They know they were elected to do things like get the pot holes fixed and make sure the fire trucks are in working order; not to meddle in people's lives or local merchant's lawful business decisions"'What would the local council do if shops suddenly slashed the price of cigarettes? '
But I know better than that...



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Where was this place when I was drinking?
On a more sobering note, real alcoholics are going to get booze regardless of the price. If I'm not drinking at home (comparable cost when you buy a 1/2 gallon) I would go there which would raise the possibility of driving while drunk.
But as LJ says, the gov shouldn't set the price of their goods.
I do believe that Mass. has banned happy hour or reduced drink pricing hours. Guin, can you confirm that?
On a more sobering note, real alcoholics are going to get booze regardless of the price. If I'm not drinking at home (comparable cost when you buy a 1/2 gallon) I would go there which would raise the possibility of driving while drunk.
But as LJ says, the gov shouldn't set the price of their goods.
I do believe that Mass. has banned happy hour or reduced drink pricing hours. Guin, can you confirm that?
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No happy hours/reduced drink prices in MA since 1984. The issue was revived last year by my state senator (a republican who owns a bar), and he was laughed out of the State House. He says he will never ever ever raise the issue again.
MA has some of the strictest alcohol licensing laws in the country. Under the state scheme, each town has a limited number of permits it may issue on an annual basis. To get more a town had to go to the legislature and get special legislation passed.
But I do remember the "dimeys" nights at this awful bar in the common in Ithaca when I was in college. 10 cent beers all night long. I'm surprised I do actually remember - but we didn't go there often - it was a brutal crowd.
MA has some of the strictest alcohol licensing laws in the country. Under the state scheme, each town has a limited number of permits it may issue on an annual basis. To get more a town had to go to the legislature and get special legislation passed.
But I do remember the "dimeys" nights at this awful bar in the common in Ithaca when I was in college. 10 cent beers all night long. I'm surprised I do actually remember - but we didn't go there often - it was a brutal crowd.
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Jim--I have to agree with you; whatever the proprietor wants to charge is his/her business. And if the town is that worried about hordes of drunks being unleashed upon them, they can enforce local regulations against public drunkedness and arrest/ticket those who are drunk and disorderly. somehow, it mustn't bother them that much if they are drunk at higher prices; I can pretty much guarantee people still went to the club and got drunk no matter what price was charged.
the same damn thing I would hope--nothing. they're getting their pound of flesh for the sale of the vice, so shut up.
guin-- a number of years ago I went to a wedding in Massachusetts that had a cash bar--one of the family explained to me that this was the law and that in MA open bars are not allowed in any commercial establishment (although I don't know if there is a law against the host paying for the per drink price--I have done this many times in business functions I set up where I know it would be cheaper). Is this the case (or were they just being cheap)? I know in my state, NJ, the law is that it can only be offered for private parties, but restaurant, etc. could not offer it (so places like Steak and Brew were required to charge a modest charge for a pitcher of beer while it was unlimited in NY).
'What would the local council do if shops suddenly slashed the price of cigarettes?
the same damn thing I would hope--nothing. they're getting their pound of flesh for the sale of the vice, so shut up.
guin-- a number of years ago I went to a wedding in Massachusetts that had a cash bar--one of the family explained to me that this was the law and that in MA open bars are not allowed in any commercial establishment (although I don't know if there is a law against the host paying for the per drink price--I have done this many times in business functions I set up where I know it would be cheaper). Is this the case (or were they just being cheap)? I know in my state, NJ, the law is that it can only be offered for private parties, but restaurant, etc. could not offer it (so places like Steak and Brew were required to charge a modest charge for a pitcher of beer while it was unlimited in NY).
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When you reduce the price people change their behavior. Who knew?
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BigRR - I don't think I've ever attended any private party in MA in a restaurant or other commercial space (not including business functions where you purchase a seat or a table) where there was a cash bar.
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Unless it's something they go out of their way to do; I've seen plenty of drunks at many times the price. You can only get so drunk; at best they're just vomiting up more booze.rubato wrote:When you reduce the price people change their behavior. Who knew?
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Yes but a lot more drunks when the drinks are cheap or free. Think of those open bar events ...
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More? I'm not so sure--at least from what I've seen of clubs (and what my kids tell me). I have been the DD 9really the chauffeur) for them many times when they went to an area of clubs, and $10+ drinks (plus steep entry fees) didn't seem to deter the drunks who were exiting the clubs at 2:30. Maybe we'd get more, but I'm not so sure.
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And unlike most of the country (RI the notable exception), you STILL cannot buy beer & wine in most grocery stores in MA. (Though some do sell beer.)Guinevere wrote:No happy hours/reduced drink prices in MA since 1984. The issue was revived last year by my state senator (a republican who owns a bar), and he was laughed out of the State House. He says he will never ever ever raise the issue again.
MA has some of the strictest alcohol licensing laws in the country. Under the state scheme, each town has a limited number of permits it may issue on an annual basis. To get more a town had to go to the legislature and get special legislation passed.
Treat Gaza like Carthage.
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I suspect they don't get drunker...but might get smashed FASTER.Big RR wrote:More? I'm not so sure--at least from what I've seen of clubs (and what my kids tell me). I have been the DD 9really the chauffeur) for them many times when they went to an area of clubs, and $10+ drinks (plus steep entry fees) didn't seem to deter the drunks who were exiting the clubs at 2:30. Maybe we'd get more, but I'm not so sure.
Treat Gaza like Carthage.
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I know many alcoholics (and addicts) who would refute that.rubato wrote:When you reduce the price people change their behavior. Who knew?
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Cheap or expensive, doesn't matter. They will get what they need.
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oldr_n_wsr wrote:I know many alcoholics (and addicts) who would refute that.rubato wrote:When you reduce the price people change their behavior. Who knew?
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Cheap or expensive, doesn't matter. They will get what they need.
The statement is general. And generally true. It is one of the most reliable statements in economics and if it were not true economics would not be able to make any useful statements at all, ever. But thanks for playing.
I realize that you have a compulsion to attempt to contradict my posts but do make some small effort to stay within the bounds of reason. At least some of the time.
Now, go read about price elasticity.
One measure of addiction is the relative inelasticity of demand to price but ...
Even drunks and addicts are inhibited when the price is high enough. And more people become drunks and addicts when the price goes down; witness changes in cocaine and heroin use when the market was flooded with cheap drugs.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_elasticity_of_demand
Price elasticity of demand (PED or Ed) is a measure used in economics to show the responsiveness, or elasticity, of the quantity demanded of a good or service to a change in its price. More precisely, it gives the percentage change in quantity demanded in response to a one percent change in price (ceteris paribus, i.e. holding constant all the other determinants of demand, such as income).
Price elasticities are almost always negative, although analysts tend to ignore the sign even though this can lead to ambiguity. Only goods which do not conform to the law of demand, such as Veblen and Giffen goods, have a positive PED. In general, the demand for a good is said to be inelastic (or relatively inelastic) when the PED is less than one (in absolute value): that is, changes in price have a relatively small effect on the quantity of the good demanded. The demand for a good is said to be elastic (or relatively elastic) when its PED is greater than one (in absolute value): that is, changes in price have a relatively large effect on the quantity of a good demanded.
Revenue is maximized when price is set so that the PED is exactly one. The PED of a good can also be used to predict the incidence (or "burden") of a tax on that good. Various research methods are used to determine price elasticity, including test markets, analysis of historical sales data and conjoint analysis.

