dr ben carson...

[wesw]

...is the potential candidate who I think would best represent us as president. a real person. believes in our constitution and in the promise of our declaration of independence.

...and he is black! time to cash that promissory note which doctor king held so dear, as do I. it s time we had a black president

[rubato]

A lying right-wing toady.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... e-slavery/

Ben Carson: Obamacare worst thing ‘since slavery’
By Sean Sullivan October 11, 2013
Carson: Obamacare is 'worst thing ... since slavery'(1:13)
Fox news contributor Ben Carson compared the Affordable Care Act to slavery at the Values Voters' Summit Friday, saying, "It was never about health care; it was about control." (Sarah Parnass/The Washington Post)

Dr. Ben Carson, a rising star in conservative circles, on Friday compared President Obama's health-care law to slavery.

"You know Obamacare is really I think the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery," Carson, who is African American, said Friday in remarks at the Values Voter Summit in Washington. "And it is in a way, it is slavery in a way, because it is making all of us subservient to the government, and it was never about health care. It was about control."

Carson, a pediatric neurosurgeon who was recently hired to be a contributor at Fox News, has stoked controversy with his remarks before. Earlier this year, he withdrew as graduation speaker at Johns Hopkins University amid demands from students concerned about his controversial remarks on gay marriage. Carson had mentioned bestiality and pedophilia while arguing against gay marriage in an interview. ... .

He'll say any dumbass thing to suck ass to the right-wing power structure. A tapeworm of a man.

yrs,
rubato

[Joe Guy]

You know just yesterday I was thinking how Ben Carson and wesw have so much in common, and how much Ben (as a real person) would accomplish as president of the U.S.A. with his vast political experience.

Ben Carson should definitely run for president. It would make for some great comedy relief. Maybe he should pick Ted Nugent for a VP. I'd watch them every chance I could get and probably support nothing they recommend.

[Sue U]

Only Half As Stupid As He Sounds
Ben Carson Says ISIS Pretty Much Like American Founders, Except Maybe For The Wigs

by Doktor Zoom
Jan 16 3:36 pm 2015

Speaking at the Republican National Committee’s winter meeting Thursday, Ben “I Am TOO A Serious Contender” Carson did one of those “Ben Carson says something crazy” things that we know and love so well, comparing the terrorists of ISIS to America’s Founding Fathers. But don’t you go thinking he’s nuts or anything, because he is not.

“A bunch of rag tag militiamen defeated the most powerful and professional military force on the planet. Why? Because they believed in what they were doing. They were willing to die for what they believed in,” Carson told a luncheon audience of national committee members. “Fast forward to today. What do we have? You’ve got ISIS. They’ve got the wrong philosophy, but they’re willing to die for it while we are busily giving away every belief and every value for the sake of political correctness. We have to change that.”

Say what you will about the ideology of the Islamic State, Dude, at least it’s an ideology.

Now, you see, Carson is not saying that ISIS is like the American Revolutionaries in any other way, except insofar as they were willing to die for what they believe in, a depth of commitment for which ISIS was the only exemplar that came to mind. Or maybe he was suggesting that America and/or the Iraqi and Syrian governments are the British in this analogy, since, like King George III, our president suffers from acute intermittent porphyria and is obsessed with his stools. Or something like that.

Carson was quick to warn the media not to call him crazy again, because apparently he is aware he’s getting a reputation for being entertainingly nutso:

"Now I recognize that there’s press here and some of the press will say, ‘Carson said that ISIS is the same as the United States,'” he said. “They are just so ridiculous, so ridiculous.”

That’s a fair call. On the other hand, if you think the most salient point of comparison between ISIS and the supporters of the American Revolution is that they were both willing to die for what they believed in, then you are merely stupid, not crazy, because that’s true of pretty much every nationalist or revolutionary who ever lived, with the exception of the spectacularly unsuccessful “Cowards’ Uprising” of 1743.

Also, didn’t Bill Maher lose his network show for saying largely the same thing in 2001?

RNC chair Reince Priebus said he thought Carson made a real good point:

“I think what he was saying basically was that you have to believe in what you stand for, and that we have to believe in the ideals of America, I didn’t think anything odd of it,” he said. “I think he was making a point, and I think his point was to stand up for the things that you believe in.”

Then again, someone who wasn’t trying out for the Clumsy Analogy Team might have used the marchers at Selma as avatars of people who stood up for what they believed in, maybe.

Carson went on to defend other instances where his charming penchant for just making a point also got completely twisted out of context, like how he didn’t mean that the U.S. Government is like Nazi Germany when he said American political institutions are “very much like Nazi Germany. You had the government using its tools to intimidate the population. We now live in a society where people are afraid to say what they actually believe.” See? Totally different.

He also angrily denied that he had equated homosexuality with pedophilia and bestiality, just because he said to Sean Hannity in 2013:

"Marriage is between a man and a woman. It’s a well-established, fundamental pillar of society and no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality — it doesn’t matter what they are, they don’t get to change the definition."

Look, he named those three groups in a parallel sentence, but he never said they were the same thing, you haters.

Finally, Carson just wants to remind you that he never ever said another thing, not ever:

“Every time the liberal press does something about me, they say, ‘He’s the one who said Obamacare was worse than slavery,'” he said. “I never said that. I said it’s the worse thing since slavery.”

Totally different. Of course, as Margaret Hartman points out, Carson did clarify that Obamacare actually is “slavery in a way because it is making all of us subservient to the government,” so there’s that. But not worse than.

So don’t you go around misquoting Ben Carson. He’s like a complete moron, only smarter. In a way. His own very special way.

Source

[MajGenl.Meade]

[Lord Jim]

I'm sorry wes, but Carson is completely unqualified to be President, and he has zero campaign skills. He would be a disaster as a general election candidate.

I'd be happy to see him get in the race because he'll help to split up the social conservative and Tea Party vote in the primaries, (I'm happy to see Huckabee and Santorum get in for the same reason) but the kind of candidate the GOP (and the country) needs is a person with proven, successful governing experience. (Especially after eight years of a President who didn't have any) Fortunately we have several good choices in that regard.

But the number one qualification that the 2016 GOP Presidential nominee must have is the ability to beat Hillary Clinton. (Jeb Bush heads the list on that score. Jeb is the opposite kind of candidate from Hillary or Romney; the more the public gets to know him for himself rather than just his name, the better he will be perceived. And he'll also be able to match her dollar for dollar in fund raising.)

If the candidate doesn't have that number one qualification, (the ability to beat Hillary) then nothing else about them matters.

There are some other Republican Governors out there likely to run who could beat Hillary if they can raise the money, but we certainly aren't going to beat her with a Tea Party darling political novice who comes off as detached and aloof and has a penchant for saying foolish things...

As I've said before, I think our best ticket would be Jeb Bush and Ohio Governor John Kasich. Kasich just won a landslide re-election, including 26% of the African American vote. (an unheard of percentage for a Republican running statewide for a major office in modern times. My party ought to be studying how he accomplished that.)

Yeah, they're two white guys, but they are two white guys from Florida and Ohio....

Two states that no Republican can get elected to the Presidency without carrying.*

If Jeb get's the nomination but for some reason doesn't go with Kasich, then he should probably pick a woman, and we have a number of qualified possibilities he could choose from.





(* I considered re-writing that sentence this way: "Two states without which no Republican can get elected to the Presidency. ", but I decided to leave it the way it is just for Meade... )

[wesw]

boy those liberals sound scared of ben carson....

whenever I ve heard him speak he sounds very much different than the way he is painted

he will be on c span Monday morning, check it out yourself

if it s a jeb bush, Hillary Clinton race I ll be staying home.

[MajGenl.Meade]

if it s a jeb bush, Hillary Clinton race I ll be staying home.

Yep - that's the responsible thing to do

[Lord Jim]

BTW wes, whenever I see this:

believes in our constitution

or something similar like, "we should follow the Constitution" an alarm bell goes off for me because frequently that pious sounding verbiage nowadays is employed as code by politicians who really mean, "I believe the Constitution prohibits the government from doing nearly anything"....or "I believe the Constitution only permits the government to do those things that I say it does"...

It's used by people who believe that Social Security is unconstitutional; that unemployment compensation is unconstitutional;that government scholarship programs are unconstitutional; that any use at all of the military by the President without a formal declaration of war is unconstitutional, etc, etc,...

It's used by people who believe in a radically narrow interpretation of what is constitutionally permissible, despite the fact that these interpretations have been rejected by successive Supreme Courts over many decades.

Ron Paul was a big fan of beating his chest about what a great believer he was in "following the Constitution"....

What he really was, was a big fan of claiming that the Constitution only permitted those things that Ron Paul believes it does...as opposed to the Supreme Court...(His son's the same way)

So when I see a politician using that kind of self-righteous language about the constitution, I'm not only not impressed, I'm highly suspicious...

They basically just want to proclaim any policy they don't approve of to be "Unconstitutional"....

[wesw]

that s a very jaded view jim

meade, it reeks of elitism and aristocracy. I won t be a part of that

[wesw]

I won t stay home tho, I ll need to vote for reps from the opposite party from the one I believe will win a bush/Clinton race

[Sue U]

boy those liberals sound scared of ben carson....

You are confusing "scared of" with "pointing and laughing at."

As I've said before, I think our best ticket would be Jeb Bush and Ohio Governor John Kasich.

No love for Marco Rubio, Jim?

[Long Run]

After 16 years of minimal to no POTUS competence, let's pick someone with proven abilities and experience.

[rubato]

Sue;

Ok, you win, that is crazier.


yrs,
rubato

[wesw]

we need a brain surgeon.

hospitals are chock full of politics and huge egos, ben will adjust.

we need citizens to govern citizens, the political elite are out of touch.

I really am amazed that you folks seem to dismiss anyone who is not a career politician.

what ever happened to "...of the people , by the people, and for the people"?

[Lord Jim]

No love for Marco Rubio, Jim?

I've got nothing against Rubio, but I really think we need a Governor at the top of the ticket. If Bush is the nominee, I believe there's an arcane provision in the Constitution that prohibits the President and the Veep being from the same state...

However, I think Rubio would be a good pick for VP if Kasich get's the nomination...

They'd also have that Florida/Ohio thing goin' on...

[Lord Jim]

we need a brain surgeon.

If you really needed a brain surgeon wes, would you want to go to somebody who'd never even held a scalpel let alone actually performed an operation?

If your house was on fire, would you like the fire department to send people who had never even screwed a hose into a hydrant to put it out?

I don't get why it is that a lot of people, (you're hardly alone in thinking this way) who would never thinkit would be smart to hire somebody who had no experience for any other important task, think it would be a perfectly splendid idea to entrust the most powerful political position in the world to somebody who doesn't know squat about politics...

Naivete dressed up as idealism I suppose...

In 1976, I remember Jimmy Carter running around during the campaign bragging about how he didn't know anybody in Washington...

You see how that turned out...

[wesw]

barack Obama is an excellent politician. what do you think of his presidency?

I believe in citizen government. there is a place for the elite/ career politician, it s called the senate.

Washington was a farmer, surveyor and soldier, he did ok. nelson mandela did ok. Eisenhower did ok.

carter was that governor you spoke of, he did poorly, except at camp david

I believe in our founding ideals, you talk about our constitution as a dirty word and dismiss citizen-statesmen.

any man with intelligence and good advice and info can make good decisions.

if you don t believe in citizen statesmen or that we should invoke our constitution in matters of state I don t have any argument for that. I m just sad

[Lord Jim]

barack Obama is an excellent politician.

Barack Obama is a perfect case in point...

Obama had been in the Senate for two years when he started running for President. He'd had no experience as an elected executive dealing with an elected legislative body, (either as a Governor or even a Mayor) and after he became President, boy did it show...

And after that you're suggesting that the GOP nominate someone with even less experience?

[wesw]

great rebuttal...... try again