For Vitamin And Supplement Fans...

[Econoline]

In my case it was my doctor who recommended the CoQ10 to counteract a side effect of the simvastatin. I had never heard of it before then, and I wouldn't have tried it if he hadn't recommended it. Like Jim, all I care about are results, and my results were positive: eliminination of the pain.

[oldr_n_wsr]

You are the best judge on how you are feeling. If it works, so be it.
My liver is in good shape.
Same with my heart.
Even my lungs are pretty good (smoker still)
My head is a different story. But I'm working on it.

[BoSoxGal]

Heads take the most work, oldr.

I'm reading an excellent book that I find very inspiring, you might like it too:

Lincoln's Melancholy: How Depression Challenged a President and Fueled His Greatness

[MajGenl.Meade]

No, not really. They're a billion dollar scam so I guess someone's getting done down.

That's a bit like saying that all religions are a scam,is it not?

No. An equivalent religious scam would be if GNC started selling Bibles with instructions to cure rheumatism by eating a page a day.

[Long Run]

Most supplements are unnecessary for people with reasonable diets and lifestyle. However, if a doctor has identified a need, then specific supplements have their place.

[oldr_n_wsr]

Heads take the most work, oldr.

I know that.

I'm reading an excellent book that I find very inspiring, you might like it too:

Lincoln's Melancholy: How Depression Challenged a President and Fueled His Greatness

I'll look into it although I have a severe time problem. I don't have enough of it.
Thanks

[Lord Jim]

Gee, now that you guys have convinced me that the results I've been getting are all in my imagination, I guess my blood pressure will shoot back up, and my liver will go to hell...

I'll start listening to you and stop believing my lying eyes...

[Joe Guy]

Gee now that you guys have convinced me that the results I've been getting are all in my imagination, I guess my blood pressure will shoot back up, and my liver will go to hell...

I'll start listening to you and stop believing my lying eyes...

It's your lying liver and your deluded mind that makes you think those supplements help you.

Typical republican.

yrs,

dr feelbad

[Lord Jim]

It's your lying liver and your deluded mind

And my lying blood pressure...

[oldr_n_wsr]

Whatever works.
I like meditation myself, although I wish I was better at it. I have been able to drop my heart rate to 45bpm. (I'm usually around 60bpm).
I have to get a blood pressure thingy. I think my FIL had one for my MIL (God rest her soul) so I can see if I can drop my BP down also. Trying to get off some meds.
And I have been able to control the onset of depression and anxiety so far. Trying to get off those meds too.


of course I could eat healthier, but steak/meat/bacon and fatty stuff and butter covered potatos are sooooooo goooooood

[BoSoxGal]

Just today, a reminder of why so many medical professionals and consumers look askance at supplements:

NY Attorney General Eric Schneiderman says retail giants sell bogus supplements, ask them to pull products from shelves
BY MICHAEL O'KEEFFE NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Tuesday, February 3, 2015

More bad news for the dietary supplement industry: New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman says GNC, Target, Walmart and Walgreens sell bogus – and perhaps even dangerous – herbal products.

Schneiderman sent a letter Monday to the retail giants demanding that they immediately pull the products, which include Echinacea, ginseng, St. John’s Wort and other popular supplements, from their shelves.

Schneiderman’s office said in a statement that nearly 80% of the supplements it tested did not contain any of the herbs listed on their labels. Walmart’s products were especially suspect – only 4% of its supplements showed DNA from plants listed on labels. Many of the products contained cheap fillers, including wheat, legumes and other ingredients that are hazardous to consumers with allergies.

“This investigation makes one thing abundantly clear: the old adage ‘buyer beware’ may be especially true for consumers of herbal supplements,” Schneiderman said.

"The DNA test results seem to confirm long-standing questions about the herbal supplement industry. Mislabeling, contamination, and false advertising are illegal. They also pose unacceptable risks to New York families—especially those with allergies to hidden ingredients. At the end of the day, American corporations must step up to the plate and ensure that their customers are getting what they pay for, especially when it involves promises of good health.”

Schneiderman’s letter is the latest wrinkle in a debate that has raged since 1994, when Congress passed the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act, the law that exempts the dietary supplement industry from the strict approval process the Food and Drug Administration requires for prescription drugs.

DSHEA allows supplement companies to sell and market products without proving they are safe and effective. The law places the burden on the FDA to determine if products are dangerous before they can be removed from the market. Critics say the law gives the government the authority to go after dangerous supplements only after it receives complaints of serious injuries.

The law also presents problems for athletes who regularly undergo urine screening for performance-enhancing drugs. Unscrupulous companies include steroids, stimulants and other banned drugs to supposedly “natural” products, causing positive drug tests that lead to suspensions for players.

The supplement industry argues that the problem isn’t DSHEA, which provides a sufficient regulatory framework for the $32 billion industry, but weak enforcement by the feds.

The vast majority of manufacturers, industry leaders say, adhere to DSHEA and FDA regulations by evaluating the safety of their products and the accuracy of their labels as required by law. They spend millions of dollars each year on testing and research. The industry’s problems, supplement executives say, stem from irresponsible companies that sell what Loren Israelsen, president of the United Natural Products Alliance calls “black box” supplements – spiked erectile dysfunction pills, weight-loss pills, anti-aging pills and other products that used by consumers driven by vanity, fear and real or imagined illnesses.

The fact that Schneiderman is targeting mainstream retailers, however, will certainly give new life to calls to amend or repeal DSHEA.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Classic line: She may be a quack but you can't duck her bill"



Damn....

[rubato]

"... Schneiderman’s office said in a statement that nearly 80% of the supplements it tested did not contain any of the herbs listed on their labels. ... "

Well my goodness, I just hope we don't start having that awful GUBBERMINT REGULATION! When the 'honor system' is working so well.


yrs,
rubato