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Looking at this more closely, some interesting things come to light...

All of these excerpts are from the same NY Times article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/13/us/ch ... lings.html
Mr. Hicks’s Facebook page suggests that he has a strong interest in atheism and is contemptuous of religion; the page is filled with posts and cartoons mocking the intelligence of people who believe in the Bible. His anger appeared to be aimed primarily at Christians — in fact, in 2010 he decried as hypocritical opposition by Christians to a much-debated proposal for a mosque to be built near ground zero in Manhattan.
Here's the link to his Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/craig.hicks.967

To describe Mr. Hicks as merely an "atheist" does not do him justice. Mr. Hicks, (who describes himself as "an anti-theist") is a vociferous and fanatical anti-religious bigot. Most of his bile is directed at Christians, though he doesn't seem to think much of Muslims either....

(The most ironic bit of course, is a triple murderer calling other people "dangerous"....)

This gave me a chuckle:(Again from The Times Article):
Ms. Hicks insisted that her husband’s political views showed that he was not bigoted: She has emphasized that he supports same-sex marriage, abortion rights and racial equality.

He often champions, on his Facebook page, for the rights of many individuals,” said Ms. Hicks, who said she had been married to Mr. Hicks for seven years. “That’s just one of the things I know about him, is everyone is equal.”[well except for religious believers I guess]
So, in the view of the current Mrs. Hicks, since here husband supports the check list of Liberal Approved positions, he can't possibly be a bigot. (Even though his bigotry trumpets itself pridefully the moment you land on his Facebook page)

What amused me is the fact that she is such a shining example of the complete blindness that many Liberals (notice I said many not all) have towards bigotry amongst other Liberals, particularly if it involves bigotry towards people of Faith. (That's not bigotry you see, that's just "truth telling"...)

The former Mrs. Hicks has a somewhat less charitable view of him:
Cynthia Hurley, who said she was married to Mr. Hicks years ago, said she had been unsettled by his enthusiasm for a 1993 film, “Falling Down,” which depicts a man violently lashing out at society. “That always freaked me out,” Ms. Hurley told The A.P. “He watched it incessantly. He thought it was hilarious. He had no compassion at all.”
Mr. Hicks' clear cut and indisputable hatred and contempt for religious believers still does not mean that he targeted these three for killing because of their faith (if he did, it was probably for the fact that they were religious believers at all, not Muslims in particular...woe to the Jehovah's Witness who ever showed up at his door)

If you follow the link to the NY Times article, you'll see there were numerous instances of intimidation and harassment that this guy engaged in...He couldn't possibly have known whether every person he confronted with his side arm or his shot gun, or whose car he had towed, was or was not a religious believer...

But of course he didn't shoot any of them either...

But I have to say that looking a little further into this guy's beliefs and behavior, I don't think you can completely rule out the possibility that these three were shot because of his hatred of religious believers in general, and that they specifically were targeted because their manner of dress made them easy to identify as such.
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Lord Jim wrote: So, in the view of the current Mrs. Hicks, since here husband supports the check list of Liberal Approved positions, he can't possibly be a bigot. (Even though his bigotry trumpets itself pridefully the moment you land on his Facebook page)

What amused me is the fact that she is such a shining example of the complete blindness that many Liberals (notice I said many not all) have towards bigotry amongst other Liberals, particularly if involves bigotry towards people of Faith. (That's not bigotry you see, that's just "truth telling"...)
Um, hatred of religion is not a "Liberal Approved position." Neither is threatening people with firearms. Come on, Jim, you can do better than that.

This is not a case of murder inspired by any political position. This is a guy who clearly had personality and social disorders. Attempting to bash "liberals" with this incident is just dishonest and cheap.
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Um, hatred of religion is not a "Liberal Approved position."
Uh, that's not at all what I said...

not remotely....

What I said was that many liberals (again, not all) are blind to the bigotry of other liberals, particularly if it is bigotry against religious believers, and that Mrs Hicks:
Ms. Hicks insisted that her husband’s political views showed that he was not bigoted: She has emphasized that he supports same-sex marriage, abortion rights and racial equality.[In other words, "He supports same-sex marriage, abortion rights and racial equality; he can't possibly be a bigot."]

“He often champions, on his Facebook page, for the rights of many individuals,”
Was a perfect example of this.

I stand by those assertions completely.
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I see LJ's already responded after I'd typed this below but I'll post it anyway

Sue, I believe you misread what LJ actually wrote. He was referring to these as 'Liberal Approved Positions':
She has emphasized that he supports same-sex marriage, abortion rights and racial equality.


His point is that because the man supported those, his wife did not see that the man's hatred of religion was bigotry. LJ believes that many liberals, though by no means all, are blind to anti-Christian positions held by people who check off the correct boxes as "liberal" in their viewpoint.

I'm sure that LJ does not believe racial equality is the exclusive property of liberals - perhaps support for homosexual marriage and abortion rights may also figure in non-liberal portfolios. However, those three are always in the liberal checklist.
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Thank you Gen'l, your interpretation is exactly correct and saves me having to post further clarification... :ok

The only thing further I would add is that it would be silly for me (or anyone else ) to say that "hatred of religion" is a "Liberal Approved" position, since polling indicates that the overwhelming majority of Liberals (in the US anyway) are themselves religious believers...
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There are nutters of every stripe.
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
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bigskygal wrote:There are nutters of every stripe.
Upon that, we can all agree... 8-)
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Lord Jim wrote:
bigskygal wrote:There are nutters of every stripe.
Upon that, we can all agree... 8-)
Yes, I believe that there are plenty of bigoted liberals. I remember recently Condi Rice was forced to give up a specking engagement at some Yankee liberal college due to threats from a liberal free speech group. They believe in free speech, but the right kind of free speech from the right kind of people. I believe that Condi is an A plus person, but evidently for some liberals was not good enough to speak.
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Well liberty, it was more than a speaking engagement, it was the awarding of her with an honorary degree.. I fully support free speech, but I also can understand why some from Rutgers would not want their alma mater to award her with any honor. Just as I understand why some at Stevens Institute of Technology, a premier private engineering school in Hoboken NJ, protested ultimately boycotted commencement exercises when the school gave an honorary degree to Frank Sinatra.

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Big RR wrote:Well liberty, it was more than a speaking engagement, it was the awarding of her with an honorary degree.. I fully support free speech, but I also can understand why some from Rutgers would not want their alma mater to award her with any honor. Just as I understand why some at Stevens Institute of Technology, a premier private engineering school in Hoboken NJ, protested ultimately boycotted commencement exercises when the school gave an honorary degree to Frank Sinatra.
Why would anyone be opposed to Frank Sinatra receiving an honor doctorate degree in entertainment; he did prove he could do it?

And as far as Condi goes they did not want her on their compass; there have been other cases of liberals driving a conservative speaker of a liberal compasses and some have even been attacked. And Condi is not even a conservative, more like a moderate. Other than me, can you name any other moderates in the Democrat Party?
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liberty wrote:Why would anyone be opposed to Frank Sinatra receiving an honor doctorate degree in entertainment; he did prove he could do it?
But it wasn't a degree in "entertainment"--it was an honorary Doctorate of Engineering...and if I had been graduating from that school in that year, I too might well have felt that that phony degree devalued my legitimate accomplishment of earning a real degree from a premier private engineering school.
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Barack Obama, for one. :lol: ;)
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Why would anyone be opposed to Frank Sinatra receiving an honor doctorate degree in entertainment; he did prove he could do it?
I agree with Econoline. It was an engineering school, not a liberal arts one. I never heard of entertainment engineering. If it was a school that had a theater arts or music program perhaps the argument could be made, but it was not. I'm sure the school was either regarding a big donation or hoping linking his name with the school might get some more donations, but I can't see how that warrants an engineering degree from a school that markets itself as one of the elite engineering schools in the country.
And as far as Condi goes they did not want her on their compass
That may have been the way it was played in the conservative press, and no doubt some did not want her there on the campus at all because of her politics (hell, some might not have wanted her there because of her race, even if she were a teapartier), but the invitation was to receive an honorary degree, and that is what was objected to by the students according to the story.
Other than me, can you name any other moderates in the Democrat Party?

Barack Obama, for one. :lol: ;)
And the Bill Clinton who signed a big tax cut and welfare reform, not to mention damn near drew us into a war in the Balkans (to wag the dog?).

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That may have been the way it was played in the conservative press, and no doubt some did not want her there on the campus at all because of her politics (hell, some might not have wanted her there because of her race, even if she were a teapartier), but the invitation was to receive an honorary degree, and that is what was objected to by the students according to the story.
Well, that's not how it was played in the left-wing press:
"War Criminals Shouldn’t Be Honored": Rutgers Students Nix Condoleezza Rice from Commencement Speech

Former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has withdrawn as commencement speaker at Rutgers University following protests by faculty and students over her role in the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. Rutgers faculty had circulated a petition decrying the role Rice played in "efforts to mislead the American people about the presence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq."

Last week, Rutgers students occupied a campus building in a call for the invitation to be withdrawn. In a statement this weekend, Rice said her appearance "has become a distraction." We discuss the "No Rice Campaign" with Rutgers University student protester Carmelo Cintrón Vivas and Baher Azmy, legal director of the Center for Constitutional Rights.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/5/5/wa ... ed_rutgers
Not seeing anything in there about objections to Dr. Rice, (who has an earned PhD in Political Science, and a distinguished academic career) receiving an "honorary degree"...
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