"An Absolute Disastrous Mess"

[Crackpot]

Personally I blame Puerto Rico.

[Sue U]

I told you I won my one and only FTCA case, right? Got SJ against the United States (Army)

Did they send a uniformed JAG Corps attorney, or did you get a dweeb from DOJ?

[Guinevere]

Ha, we got a teeny little AUSA with a serious Napoleonic complex and a JAG Major dweeb.

Great case, my first piece of significant litigation. I had a blast!

[wesw]

Lindsey graham?

[rubato]

Lawyering up first thing after you've killed and crippled a lot of people to reduce any slight unpleasantness to yourself. Now that is a real mark of character.


Reminds me of that Italian ship captain abandoning the Costa Concordia ": "So, what do you want to do, to go home, Schettino?! It's dark and you want to go home?"


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[liberty]

Personally I blame Puerto Rico.

If this was my post, I might respond to this, but it is not my post and it is not related to the subject under discussion, so no comment about Puerto Rico.

[Gob]

Lawyering up first thing after you've killed and crippled a lot of people to reduce any slight unpleasantness to yourself. Now that is a real mark of character.


Reminds me of that Italian ship captain abandoning the Costa Concordia ": "So, what do you want to do, to go home, Schettino?! It's dark and you want to go home?"


yrs,
rubato

We have this thing here called "innocent until proved guilty", it's quite popular. Most people when they find themselves at the centre of a devastating accident will get legal representation, it's just good common sense.

[Guinevere]

Oh we have it too, rube just hates lawyers. I assume his wife has had to deal with a malpractice claim or two....

[Lord Jim]

Personally I blame Puerto Rico.

If this was my post, I might respond to this, but it is not my post and it is not related to the subject under discussion, so no comment about Puerto Rico.

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[rubato]

Lawyering up first thing after you've killed and crippled a lot of people to reduce any slight unpleasantness to yourself. Now that is a real mark of character.


Reminds me of that Italian ship captain abandoning the Costa Concordia ": "So, what do you want to do, to go home, Schettino?! It's dark and you want to go home?"


yrs,
rubato

We have this thing here called "innocent until proved guilty", it's quite popular. Most people when they find themselves at the centre of a devastating accident will get legal representation, it's just good common sense.

The train was going more than 2x the speed limit for that area. > 100mph There is no reasonable explanation for how a train conductor could make an error that gross while awake and conscientiously performing his job.


But go ahead and be an ass.


yrs,
rubato

[BoSoxGal]

That's quite an assumption, rubato. He might have experienced a medical emergency. The train might have experienced mechanical issues. Directly following the derailment, he was suffering from a head trauma and not able to remember what happened immediately preceding the event. That is typical response to head trauma.

When somebody has been in an incident of any kind involving potential liability, criminal charges, etc., s/he has the absolute right to seek legal advice. It's further a very wise choice to make. If you ever find yourself in those shoes, I'm quite sure you will seek legal advice, too.

[Joe Guy]

Even if the engineer had absolutely nothing to do with the accident, not consulting a lawyer as soon as possible would have been foolish.

I hope they are able find out why the crash happened. It is a strange case...

[rubato]

That's quite an assumption, rubato. He might have experienced a medical emergency. The train might have experienced mechanical issues. Directly following the derailment, he was suffering from a head trauma and not able to remember what happened immediately preceding the event. That is typical response to head trauma.

When somebody has been in an incident of any kind involving potential liability, criminal charges, etc., s/he has the absolute right to seek legal advice. It's further a very wise choice to make. If you ever find yourself in those shoes, I'm quite sure you will seek legal advice, too.

The only assumption is that very highly unlikely events did not occur. Events of minute probability. Trains are very big and very heavy. A lot of inertial mass. They accelerate very slowly as a result. Such slow acceleration gives a train conductor who is awake and attending to his job a very long time to notice and take appropriate action.

He has a right to seek legal advice but doing so shows a devotion to self-interest and a lack of interest in the welfare of others.

It is possible that there is evidence which will reduce his guilt but at the moment I think it is very unlikely.


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[Gob]

The train was going more than 2x the speed limit for that area. > 100mph There is no reasonable explanation for how a train conductor could make an error that gross while awake and conscientiously performing his job.


But go ahead and be an ass.


yrs,
rubato

Having worked on the railway I know a fair bit about the numerous mechanical things, which can go wrong, but go ahead and embarrass yourself further.

PS it's a driver, or engineer, not a conductor, who regulates speed, asshat.

[Gob]

The only assumption is that very highly unlikely events did not occur. Events of minute probability. Trains are very big and very heavy. A lot of inertial mass. They accelerate very slowly as a result.

They also decelerate slowly too.

Such slow acceleration gives a train conductor who is awake and attending to his job a very long time to notice and take appropriate action.

Unless he is ill or incapacitated.

He has a right to seek legal advice but doing so shows a devotion to self-interest and a lack of interest in the welfare of others.

Utter laughable claptrap.

[rubato]

Oh we have it too, rube just hates lawyers. I assume his wife has had to deal with a malpractice claim or two....

In what year of law school do they teach "just make shit up"??? 2nd year? Third?

Reflects accurately on your amoral semi-profession.

Even Nurse-midwives have longer training, but then they do useful work.


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[rubato]

The only assumption is that very highly unlikely events did not occur. Events of minute probability. Trains are very big and very heavy. A lot of inertial mass. They accelerate very slowly as a result.

They also decelerate slowly too.

Such slow acceleration gives a train conductor who is awake and attending to his job a very long time to notice and take appropriate action.

Unless he is ill or incapacitated.

He has a right to seek legal advice but doing so shows a devotion to self-interest and a lack of interest in the welfare of others.

Utter laughable claptrap.

and your evidence is ..... ? What?

[Gob]

and your evidence is ..... ? What?

After you....

Brandon Bostian, was "extremely co-operative", the National Transportation Safety Board said, but he could not remember what happened.

The train derailed as it hit a curve when travelling at twice the speed limit, killing eight people.

The 32-year-old driver had called for stricter rail safety.

On various posts to Trainorders.com, Mr Bostian lamented Amtrak's lack of Positive Train Control, an automatic braking and warning system which was not fully operational on that section of line.

Safety experts have said it could have prevented the crash.

Friends said Mr Bostian talked about trains all the time and always wanted to be a train driver or conductor.

He has worked for Amtrak for nine years and was promoted to train driver in 2010.

On his Facebook page, friends wrote that he is a "great person and a great engineer [driver]".

[Gob]

An assistant conductor told investigators she had overheard the engineer talking about something striking the train, the NTSB says.

By KATHRYN A. WOLFE 5/15/15 6:54 PM EDT

The FBI will examine the windshield of the locomotive that derailed in Philadelphia, trying to determine if it was damaged by a projectile or a bullet before this week’s fatal crash, National Transportation Safety Board member Robert Sumwalt told reporters Friday night. This latest twist comes after an assistant conductor told investigators she believed she had overheard the train’s engineer talking about something striking the train, Sumwalt said.


“Our investigation has not independently confirmed this information, but we have seen damage to the left-hand lower portion of the Amtrak windshield that we have asked the FBI to come in and look at for us,” he said.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/f ... z3aGRh0iHR

[BoSoxGal]

Investigators have already reported the train rapidly accelerated just on the approach to the curve - and they are train crash investigators so I think they know how trains work?

News is now reporting that before the derailment the engineer reported his window was hit by some kind of projectile; two other trains were also hit in the same are in the same time period. FBI is investigating.

The engineer is cooperating fully after talking to his fucking lawyer, but has no independent recollection of the moments before the derailment. Doctors say his memory may return with time but may not.