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$225,000 is not an 'honorarium' it is a bribe.

You cannot both want, more than anything, to be rich and want to govern and do the second even marginally competently. We deserve a government which is honest.

She killed her own campaign. Dump her now.


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Hillary Clinton personally took money from companies that sought to influence her

Updated by Jonathan Allen on May 16, 2015, 10:20 a.m. ET jon@vox.com
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Almost a decade ago, as Hillary Clinton ran for re-election to the Senate on her way to seeking the presidency for the first time, the New York Times reported on her unusually close relationship with Corning, Inc., an upstate glass titan. Clinton advanced the company's interests, racking up a big assist by getting China to ease a trade barrier. And the firm's mostly Republican executives opened up their wallets for her campaign.

During Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State, Corning lobbied the department on a variety of trade issues, including the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The company has donated between $100,000 and $250,000 to her family's foundation. And, last July, when it was clear that Clinton would again seek the presidency in 2016, Corning coughed up a $225,500 honorarium for Clinton to speak.

In the laundry-whirl of stories about Clinton buck-raking, it might be easy for that last part to get lost in the wash. But it's the part that matters most. The $225,500 speaking fee didn't go to help disease-stricken kids in an impoverished village on some long-forgotten patch of the planet. Nor did it go to a campaign account. It went to Hillary Clinton. Personally.

The latest episode in the Clinton money saga is different than the others because it involves the clear, direct personal enrichment of Hillary Clinton, presidential candidate, by people who have a lot of money at stake in the outcome of government decisions. Her federally required financial disclosure was released to media late Friday, a time government officials and political candidates have long reserved for dumping news they hope will have a short shelf life.

Together, Hillary and Bill Clinton cleared $25 million on the lecture circuit over the last 16 months, according to a Hillary Clinton's personal financial disclosure required of presidential candidates. A lot of the focus will naturally go toward the political argument that Clinton's wealth makes her out of touch. The US has had plenty of good rich presidents and bad rich presidents. What's more important is whether they are able to listen to all of the various interests without being unduly influenced by any of them.

There's a reason government officials can't accept gifts: They tend to have a corrupting effect. True, Hillary Clinton wasn't a government official at the time the money was given. But it is very, very, very hard to see six-figure speaking fees paid by longtime political boosters with interests before the government — to a woman who has been running for president since the last time she lost — as anything but a gift.
Who gave and gave and gave and lobbied?

Corning's in good company in padding the Clinton family bank account after lobbying the State Department and donating to the foundation. Qualcomm and salesforce.com did that, too. Irwin Jacobs, a founder of Qualcomm, and Marc Benioff, a founder of salesforce.com, also cut $25,000 checks to the now-defunct Ready for Hillary SuperPAC. Hillary Clinton spoke to their companies on the same day, October 14, 2014. She collected more than half a million dollars from them that day, adding to the $225,500 salesforce.com had paid her to speak eight months earlier.

And Microsoft, the American Institute of Architects, AT&T, SAP America, Oracle and Telefonica all paid Bill Clinton six-figure sums to speak as Hillary Clinton laid the groundwork for her presidential campaign.

* The company paid for two speeches from the identified speaker.

The entities that paid a Clinton for a speech, lobbied Hillary Clinton's State Department and donated to the Clinton Foundation

And that list, which includes Clinton Foundation donors, is hardly the end of it. There's a solid set of companies and associations that had nothing to do with the foundation but lobbied State while Clinton was there and then paid for her to speak to them. Xerox, the Biotechnology Industry Organization, and the Institute of Scrap Recycling Industries, in addition to Corning, all lobbied Clinton's department on trade matters and then invited her to earn an easy check.

"The skimpy fig leaf of timing, that the speeches were paid for when she was between government gigs, would leave Adam blushing."

By this point, most Clinton allies wish they had a button so they didn't have to go to the trouble of rolling their eyes at each new Clinton money story. The knee-jerk eye-roll response to the latest disclosure will be that there's nothing new to see here. But there's something very important to see that is different than the past stories. This time, it's about Hillary Clinton having her pockets lined by the very people who seek to influence her. Not in some metaphorical sense. She's literally being paid by them.

That storyline should be no less shocking for the fact that it is no longer surprising. The skimpy fig leaf of timing, that the speeches were paid for when she was between government gigs, would leave Adam blushing. And while most Democrats will shrug it off — or at least pretend to — it's the kind of behavior voters should take into account when considering whether they want to give a candidate the unparalleled power of the presidency. It goes to the most important, hardest-to-predict characteristic in a president: judgment.

Read Clinton's full financial disclosure report here:

I am inclined to view her husband's income from speeches as something which should disqualify her as well but I'm still not 100% on that.



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nah, stick with her..., she s a sure winner.... (eye rolling emoticon)

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Groups lobbying on trade paid Hillary Clinton $2.5M in speaking fees

Since leaving her post as secretary of state, Hillary Clinton earned millions of dollars delivering 41 paid speeches in the U.S. to a variety of companies and organizations. At least 10 of those groups have been lobbying Congress and federal agencies on trade, an issue that has divided Democrats as the Obama administration pushes for a 12-nation pacific trade deal - and around which Hillary Clinton has remained mum.

Clinton has spoken in general terms on trade, saying in New Hampshire last month that any trade deal "has to produce jobs and raise wages and increase prosperity and protect our security." But the issue pits liberal Democrats against the White House and Republicans, and there's a chorus of Democrats are calling for Clinton to weigh in.

In the weeks since she launched her presidential bid, Clinton has been dogged by questions about whether special interests sought to buy influence while she was secretary of state through donations to the Clinton Foundation and through Bill Clinton's paid speeches. For the first time, Hillary Clinton's financial disclosures provide a picture of the speaking engagements for which she was paid since leaving the State Department and at a time when she was actively considering whether to run for president.

According to the disclosures released by the campaign on Friday evening, the former secretary of state earned at least $2.7 million from speeches at companies backing the trade promotion authority (TPA) that President Obama has been seeking in order to "fast track" approval of trade deals. While that's a fraction of the $25 million Bill and Hillary Clinton earned from paid speeches from January 2014 to present, they nonetheless open the presidential candidate to criticism.

"She's put herself in the position where people are going to question whether she was influenced by the money she was paid if she supports the trade agreements," said Larry Noble, senior counsel at the Campaign Legal Center. "One of the problems with these situations is even if she reaches her decision for reasons she truly believes in, people are going to question it. It undermines her credibility."

A number of Clinton's appearances before the organizations lobbying on trade were among her most lucrative speeches.

Clinton earned $335,000 from Qualcomm for a speech in San Diego on October 14, 2014; $335,000 from the Biotechnology Industry Organization on June 25, 2014; and $325,000 from Cisco Systems for a speech in Las Vegas on August 28, 2014. According to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics, both tech companies lobbied in support of TPA in 2014 and 2015. They're also members of the Trade Benefits America Coalition, which in November 2014 sent a letter to congressional leaders saying, "As members of the Trade Benefits America Coalition, we write to urge passage of bipartisan Trade Promotion Authority (TPA) legislation this year....Congressional action on TPA is needed to help ensure high-standard outcomes in the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) negotiations, which the United States and 11 other Asia-Pacific countries are striving to complete."

That letter was also signed by General Electric and Xerox, companies that paid Hillary Clinton to give speeches in 2014. Clinton earned $225,000 from GE on January 6, 2014 and $225,000 from Xerox Corporation on March 18, 2014. In total, she earned at least $1.4 million from companies signing that letter.


Corning Incorporated and eBay were among companies signing another letter from that same coalition in January 2015, urging passage of TPA. Clinton earned $225,000 in honoraria for a speech at Corning on July 29, 2014; and she earned $315,000 at a speech for eBay in San Jose, California on March 11, 2015 - her second to last before she stopped delivering paid speeches ahead of her presidential announcement.

Clinton had two paid appearances for Salesforce.com - one in Las Vegas on February 6, 2014 for $225,500 and another in San Francisco on October 14, 2014, where Clinton also earned $225,500. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, the company in 2014 and 2015 has lobbied on a number of trade related areas, including information technology trade issues, TPA and trade agreements. In a March letter to congressional committee leaders, Salesforce was among the software companies urging Congress to move quickly to pass updated TPA legislation with strong digital trade provisions.
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When the men stop doing it, then HRC will too. How much money do you think Mittens gets paid to speak, and from what companies, all while considering "running." Hypocrites.

You know why the Bushie prince hasn't declared yet? Because he can raise unlimited dollars and take outrageous speaking fees, from any company he wants, so long as he isn't "official.

I take back hypocrites. Effing hypocrites.
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She has degenerated into the worst behavior of the worst Republicans.

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I'm very disappointed. She was a good candidate and had a substantial record as S.State along with a few years in the Senate. She was very electable and might have been a good president. Certainly better than anything the R. would nominate. But we just have to accept what is and move on and hope the Democratic selection process finds someone else who is suitable.





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ah yes, the democrats have just admitted to themselves that Hillary is unelectable

you heard it here first.

I thought that rube may be an outlier because, well, he s rube, but guin seems to have realized it as well......

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bigsky? RR ?

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How does that argument go in court, Guin? "Well, they were all robbing the bank so I just joined in".

The Clintones Foundation is a thinly disguised campaign funding organization and it's time the Supreme Court ruled (please someone bring a case) banning all organizations from contributing to political candidates - corporations, unions, PACs - all organizations. Only personal donations, clearly identified and publicized. Yeah, like that'll happen!
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Their foundation is a very weak argument against them. While it is true that in a lot of the world "NGOs" are employed as vehicles for corruption I don't think that can be the case here. US laws for 501 C organzations are sufficient to keep any political noses out of the trough.

The US secretary of State is a somewhat busy person and I doubt if she even heard about individual donations no matter how large they were.

And why bother whining about peripheral crap when she is raking in direct bribes with her speaking 'honoraria'? Its too stupid.


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How sweetly trusting you are! Hils hasn't been SofS for a bit of a time now, has she? I bet she knows exactly who gives what - and the money doesn't have to go directly to Billary... all it needs to do is stick to 'desirable' people. Of course, much of it goes to a worthy cause or six. The Foundation is of less significance than any direct corruption of course - in the same way that proof that a crime lord pulled a trigger is more significant than evidence that he "accidentally" voiced a desire that someone else(anyone else might do it.
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You don't actually read the posts do you?

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This is a colossal non-issue. A $225,000 speaking fee is a "bribe"? Apart from the fact that Hillary Clinton is not in a position to actually grant any governmental favors to anyone, a $225,000 honorarium accounts for less than one percent of their income. Is she supposed to not make any money while she's out of office? Is there some amount that's too much? Is there something wrong with capitalizing on her experience and insights? If the going rate is, as it appears, something between 200 and 300 k per appearance, what exactly is wrong with charging that amount?

Virtually every business has "money at stake in the outcome of government decisions." There is nothing illegal in any business (or any citizen) attempting to make government officials aware of its concerns over the effects of proposed governmental actions. And it is completely unsurprising that large multinationals have particular interest in the international expertise and policy views of the most recent former Secretary of State, who is also a possible future President. But there is a vast difference between buying access and buying favors. I donated regularly (and not even particularly substantially) to my former Congressional representative's campaign fund, and I'm sure that's why he knew my name and why his staff responded personally to my letters and phone calls when there was a particular issue of concern to me and my clients. But that's not "bribery" by any stretch of the imagination.
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I would like to see a viable alternative in the race. If for no other reason to get someone else some experience and exposure.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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rubato wrote:You don't actually read the posts do you?

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I only read yours because they are full of wisdom and education and chocolate sprinkles
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MajGenl.Meade wrote:How does that argument go in court, Guin? "Well, they were all robbing the bank so I just joined in".

The Clintones Foundation is a thinly disguised campaign funding organization and it's time the Supreme Court ruled (please someone bring a case) banning all organizations from contributing to political candidates - corporations, unions, PACs - all organizations. Only personal donations, clearly identified and publicized. Yeah, like that'll happen!
First of all, that's not what I said or implied.

Second, you're absolutely wrong about the foundation.

Third, I've been screaming for serious campaign finance reform - even to the point of modifying the 1st amendment (or finding more justices with(out) balls) for a long long time. It's a huge problem (the greatest problem facing our democracy), but one only the outlying parties are willing to take on. That will change, I believe. See e.g. Zephyr Teachout.

Fourth, what Sue said. Exactly.


Oh and wes, you weren't here in 2008 but I'm a hard core HRC supporter. They all know it, you should learn it. I've been asked to be on one of her finance committees again, just sorting through my commitments first ......
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guin, please for the love of god stay out of Hillary s finances, nothing but trouble down that path.....

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Guinevere wrote:
MajGenl.Meade wrote:How does that argument go in court, Guin? "Well, they were all robbing the bank so I just joined in".
First of all, that's not what I said or implied......
Oh? Well what's this then?
When the men stop doing it, then HRC will too
Hmmm?

And although I just swallowed my tongue, one foot and a rather insecure and none-too-clean HoJo's lampshade.... what wesw said! :lol:
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do you really have a howard Johnson s lampshade?

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In this Howard Johnson motel in Wilmington, NC? Yes, I have... 7 of them.
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