The Silencing: How the Left is Killing Free Speech

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No other employer would be required to retain an employee who was undermining their image; why is this different?
Sue, who has suggested that NPR didn't have a "right" to fire him? That's a strawman...

I'm sure his contract was crafted in a way that the dismissal was perfectly legal...

They had the right to fire him; they just showed their ass by doing it...(My suspicion is that they were probably looking for a reason to fire him from the moment he committed the heresy of starting to appear on FOX News)

And you may also be correct about it being a business decision...

Afterall, their audience consists primarily of well heeled Liberals who do not care to have their ideological orthodoxy in anyway challenged with un-PC views, so it would make sense that NPR would figure that bunch would prefer not to hear William's opinions after he deviated from The Party Line...
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sue just proves that liberty s point, and the book s, are valid.
honest discourse is not to be tolerated....
Wes, I've got to come to Sue's defense on that one...

She can certainly be exasperating at times, (in fact this is kinda one of those times... 8-) ) but Sue definitely enjoys honest discourse and dealing with opposing views...

If she didn't she wouldn't be hanging around here... ;)
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I agree Jim; I think that's one point we all can agree on--otherwise we would just leave.
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Thank you, Jim. I feel the same about you. :kiss: Most of the time.
wesw wrote:sue just proves that liberty s point, and the book s, are valid.
honest discourse is not to be tolerated....
Wes, the fact that you are incapable of supporting your opinion does not make me intolerant. Have I attempted to "silence" you? Have I asked that you be banned from this board? What have I said that indicates "honest discourse is not to be tolerated"?
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rubato wrote:The right is killing your mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... 4lsOb-j3o0


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exhibit one: your support of juan Williams being shit canned for being honest

exhibit two: your belittling of anyone who doesn t say American in a jersey accent, and equating a speech pattern to being like a mass murderer

you appear to be bigoted against country folk....
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Oh my God, the freaking alternate realities being expressed here are ridiculous.

Sue, as usual, has the facts correct:
1. Williams was hired by NPR as a news reporter, to be guided by facts, not opinion.
2. After his appearances on FOX, NPR changed his position to news analyst, where some opinion was to be provided.
3. Williams violated the NPR code of ethics by saying things on the air on FOX that he was not permitted to say on the air on NPR (i.e., racist and inflammatory opinion).
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oh come on, he was fired for consorting with the "enemy" , fox news
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wesw wrote:exhibit one: your support of juan Williams being shit canned for being honest

exhibit two: your belittling of anyone who doesn t say American in a jersey accent, and equating a speech pattern to being like a mass murderer

you appear to be bigoted against country folk....
As Sue already said:
Nobody threw Juan Williams in jail for expressing his personal sentiments and he is free to talk about his bigotry all he wants on Fox, which obviously has no problem making bigotry a cornerstone of its broadcasting policy.
Just because it's an "honest" opinion doesn't make it valid all of a sudden. It's still an opinion, but perfectly within the rights of an employer to deem it inappropriate in the context in which it was spoken. Your employer doesn't have to countenance you wearing clothing with swastikas in the workplace, either.
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wesw wrote:oh come on, he was fired for consorting with the "enemy" , fox news
Give us two facts (not opinions), with verifiable links, that support your assertion.
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so now you are equating juan being scared of be blown up or crashed into a building by Islamic etremists , which is a real threat (remember 911?), with being a Nazi?

oh I forgot, it s only a couple dozen bad guys who have taken over much of the middle east and north Africa....
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Your employer doesn't have to countenance you wearing clothing with swastikas in the workplace, either.
Okay, you just yelled "Nazi"...

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Of course not --- although I knew you'd go there. Thanks for taking the bait and proving my point (which is that you have no actual interest or ability to support your opinion with actual facts).

I actually chose that example because its one we can all recognize and understand.
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Lord Jim wrote:
Your employer doesn't have to countenance you wearing clothing with swastikas in the workplace, either.
Okay, you just yelled "Nazi"...

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JFC - I didn't yell, as I said above, I chose an immediately recognizable symbol. But if you want to continually change the subject and avoid the actual issues at hand (just like wes), go ahead. I've made my factual points. Care to rebut them with actual facts instead of fingerpointing and diversion?
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this isn t court, counselor, but let s go to the jury anyway......

why was juan Williams fired, because he was honest about his fear, or because he freely associated with people of his own choosing?


eta- see what I did there? put you in a little avoidance-avoidance situation...., my law professor would be so proud....
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Lord Jim wrote:It's an endless source of amusement to me how fans of NPR have deluded themselves into believing it provides nothing but "just the facts" straight from the hip objective journalism...

I'm sure FOX News fans feel the same way about FOX...

Just more proof of what I said earlier about the natural tendency of people to view "news" sources that reflect their biases as "unbiased".... ;)
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I rest my case.
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I don't really have a dog in this fight, aside from thinking wesw is not only off beam but off planet, but if he's to provide proof of x, y and z...
Williams violated the NPR code of ethics by saying things on the air on FOX that he was not permitted to say on the air on NPR (i.e., racist and inflammatory opinion).
Is that actually the case? I'm not saying it isn't - because I don't know.
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and to delve a bit deeper into meade s point....

how is saying that you are scared of being killed by people who repeatedly say, and demonstrate that they will kill you, racist or inflammatory?
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Meade

It was. Most even (even a fair chunk at NPR) think it was an overreaction and has remained a black mark on NPRs record
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.
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