Good that they focus on the real priority of war refugees

[wesw]

well meade, I will tell you that the bible can save you when food means nothing anymore. I may not count in your book. you may think that I am a liar.

nonetheless, I know that what you say is true.

wes

[Econoline]

I think I've been clear that I see nothing wrong with proselytizing (or even proselytising ) as long as it's not done before or instead of alleviating people's immediate physical needs. If that wasn't clear before, then I hope I've made it clear just now.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Yes econo, but that isn't the intent of the OP is it? The intent is to mock people for donating to Bible purchases and to chastise them for not providing food etc.

My point all along has been the unfairness of that sneer and that to Christians eternal salvation is more important than life on this earth. Not that life on this earth is not important but Jesus teaches a much harder lesson than "feed the hungry". That is an "also" which must be done but a secondary "also" in importance - although not in sequence.

Of course one doesn't feed a hungry family by heaping Bibles on them - that's why I quoted from James. It's no use to say "be warm" - you gotta give 'em a blanket.

[Guinevere]

To. Some. Christians.


At least you are consistent with what I already predicted you would say:

That's your belief and your version of Christianity. That doesn't mean your view is THE version of Christianity that is correct and right. Oh sure, we know you believe it is, and you'll tell us next it is because that's what Christianity is.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Is it possible to get you, Guin, to explain the Biblical basis on which "some Christians" do not believe that eternal salvation is the most important teaching of Christ?

I don't get it. Am I saying that people should have Bibles but not food? Am I the one sneering at Christians who donated to a collection for Bibles when I've no idea or not whether they have already (first) or simultaneously been helping to provide for the needy?

Any rational answer to the questions I asked?

[Gob]

So we'll give them "salvation"*, then watch as they starve to death, so god can sort them out?



*WE hope, no guarantees, the wording of this product may cause unrealistic hopes.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Shades of rubato - Gob has adopted a tactic. Pretend that people wrote the exact opposite of what they actually did write.

[Gob]

Oh, low blow....


I'm not saying you said that, I think it was the priority of the assholes in the OP....

[BoSoxGal]

well meade, I will tell you that the bible can save you when food means nothing anymore. I may not count in your book. you may think that I am a liar.

nonetheless, I know that what you say is true.

wes

You and Meade are sanctimonious azzholes who have NEVER experienced the hunger these people are suffering. When, pray tell, was the last time you ATE DIRT to quiet your knawing hunger pains??!


Screw salvation those folks need food and medicine and PEACE!

[MajGenl.Meade]

I do not understand at all. This continued vituperation is pathetic and all based on absolute lies.

No one (that I know of) has suggested that Bibles should be supplied before food or instead of food. And I'm sanctimonious for what exactly? For daring to suggest that in Christianity eternal salvation is the most important gift that God has given.

I've a feeling that hypocrisy and sanctimoniousness comes from those who criticize others and have themselves done nothing whatsoever to back up their mouthing off. Those who have taken active roles in charity work can of course congratulate themselves on being so special that they can criticize other people without knowing a damn thing about them

I ask politely once again, what evidence the omniscient among you have to prove that people who donate money for Bibles have not donated also to relief programs?

Outside of dead Dave and rubato, I've rarely seen such intolerance towards a group of people in general based on their group characteristics.... oh, wait - that's bigotry defined, isn't it?

And BSG, don't presume to tell me what I have and have not done or experienced. I'd not do that to you. Of course I've never been a refugee but I've seen first hand what that kind of thing means and no, I didn't think that chucking a Bible at the problem was the first thing to do. Soup kitchens came first. The love of Jesus came first, then the teachings of Jesus.

I am not responsible for what wesw posts and guess I'd probably disagree with him on almost anything about 99 percent of the time

[wesw]

well bsg, in 2012 I was down to about 100 lbs..., from 156. I looked like I came from aushwitz. food meant nothing to me. I was lost and ready to die. all the hamburgers in the world would not have meant anything to me. the word of god sustained me, it healed me when I was broken. it gave me hope. it gave me forgiveness. it showed me the way.

I still wear the belt that I had to punch all the extra holes in, it reminds me. it keeps me humble and hopeful.

mean people suck..... ;0s

eta=azzholes? sphinxters? wreckedums?

[wesw]

...and hang in there. losing beloved pets is hard. very hard for some of us.

love
wes

[MajGenl.Meade]

To. All. Christians.

FTFY

[BoSoxGal]

...and hang in there. losing beloved pets is hard. very hard for some of us.

love
wes

Thanks wes - but so far, I've not lost them. Just learning to accept that they need more from me than ever before, given their disabilities and health issues.

[Gob]

I do not understand at all. This continued vituperation is pathetic and all based on absolute lies.

No one (that I know of) has suggested that Bibles should be supplied before food or instead of food.

Well why have these nutbags, you know, the ones were are discussing, and you are defending, raised $15,000 for bibles for illiterate people? Where is there any indication they are raising food and shelter charity?

[MajGenl.Meade]

(1) the Bibles are audio (solar powered) so "literacy" is not an issue

(2) I don't have to produce proof of anything. You assume that people who donate to the cost of audio Bibles do not and have not contributed any food aid etc. to people in need. You made the assertion. You provide the proof.

Or you could just admit that you know f-all about what these "nutbags" have done in that area and you're full of bollocks

[wesw]

well, I have searched Wikipedia and the group s own website. the group s purpose seems to be spreading the gospel and fighting against restrictions on preaching the gospel. nothing about any charitable work in the sense of food and shelter.

they are not big fans of homosexuality.

[Gob]

(1) the Bibles are audio (solar powered) so "literacy" is not an issue

(2) I don't have to produce proof of anything. You assume that people who donate to the cost of audio Bibles do not and have not contributed any food aid etc. to people in need. You made the assertion. You provide the proof.

Or you could just admit that you know f-all about what these "nutbags" have done in that area and you're full of bollocks

I'm definitely full of bollocks!

There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING on their website about their charitable works in bringing food and shelter to those in Iraq. One would believe that if this "Christian" organisation had raised a dime or two they would show it.

But, the do boast hugely about their hate of poofs and all that good biblical stuff.

http://www.repentamerica.com/michael-marcavage.html


http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Repent_America

[BoSoxGal]

Meade I'd say this is a good time to how out because those kind of so-called 'Christian' are reprehensible and indefensible (I hope!).

[MajGenl.Meade]

I am aware of the organization to which people donated money and its purposes. I am not now and have never argued that the organization has or may have sent food aid etc.

I have consistently referred to no one knowing whether the people who donated the money to purchase Bibles have not also donated to other relief efforts, whether it be refugees from ISIS or other similar charitable causes.

What I have said, I have said. If the critics and pejorative name-callers have indeed been referring to the organization (and not to the individuals who donated), then from my side the discussion would have taken a different turn.