A Thread For Posts About The Confederate Battle Flag...

[MajGenl.Meade]

lib: are you squerious? You are claiming that Mr.Sledge fought in the War of the Rebellion for the Confederacy and in WW2 for the USA?

I figure he must have been at least 17 in 1865 so in 1942 he'd have been 94 years old. That's a bit long in the tooth.

LJ - thanks for your post. You assert that southerners who fought for the Federal army were traitors as defined by the Confederate constitution. Thereby you confirm that those who fought for the Confederacy were indeed traitors as defined by the US Constitution.

[Long Run]

You are claiming that Mr.Sledge fought in the War of the Rebellion for the Confederacy and in WW2 for the USA?

He's no little big man.

[MajGenl.Meade]

wesw,

here's a link that you can really get your teeth into - all kinds of data from multiple census sources, multiple categories (tho' not poor white trash). It is well worth some deep examination:

http://mapserver.lib.virginia.edu/

It just struck me how ironic that "lib" is the abbreviation for library, a place of gathered and accessible knowledge.

[Econoline]

It just struck me how ironic that "lib" is the abbreviation for library, a place of gathered and accessible knowledge.

[liberty]

lib: are you squerious? You are claiming that Mr.Sledge fought in the War of the Rebellion for the Confederacy and in WW2 for the USA?

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No, he was born a traitor like all proud Southerners.

[MajGenl.Meade]

You've taken leave of your senses, lib. What act of treason did this man perform and, as unmentionable one wrote, how dare you insult such a person?

[wesw]

yeah meade, thanks. I will look at that stuff later, I m beat at the moment. I m taking care of my son s house and pets in the boonies at the moment, and doing a lot of back and forth, spending nights there. beautiful. I ll tell you about the wildlife and trees and swamps later....

anyway, as to what you were saying....

I was thinking about what you said on one of my rides and it occurred to me that a boarding house in say..., Richmond, va. , owned by the Widow Smith or whoever, might have one houseslave, but 5 or 6 male boarders who had no slaves, similar to your point, I think.

as far as govt surveys and charts and stats and graphs, I ve made my views known before, they are easily slanted and manipulated and are often not representative of reality, even if they are honestly attempted.

[liberty]

Any evidence at all that Sledge supported the Confederate cause? Anything will do.

You dirty the man's name by invoking it.

Read his book; he was proud of his heritage.

[liberty]

You've taken leave of your senses, lib. What act of treason did this man perform and, as unmentionable one wrote, how dare you insult such a person?

All a Southerner has to do to be a traitor is to be proud of the courage of his ancestors.

[MajGenl.Meade]

I apologise for my intemperate post, now removed.

-Please show me where your new definition of treason is described in the US Constitution?

[liberty]

I didn’t call traitors people who fought to protect their families and states from an invaders.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Indeed you did not. You have stated that traitors = all Southerners proud of the courage of their ancestors.

You certainly cast a wider net than anyone I've encountered before. I'll ask again: show me the wording of the US Constitution in which "pride" is classified as treason. That's the last time. I shall ignore any more "my trolley is off the tracks" posts.

[liberty]

I apologise for my intemperate post, now removed.

-Please show me where your new definition of treason is described in the US Constitution?

I know what it says and you know what the constitution says and you know it was referring to individuals, like The Whisky Rebellion, not states. If they thought it referred states they would have never allowed it in the Constitution, consider the mind of the times.

[liberty]

Indeed you did not. You have stated that traitors = all Southerners proud of the courage of their ancestors.

You certainly cast a wider net than anyone I've encountered before. I'll ask again: show me the wording of the US Constitution in which "pride" is classified as treason. That's the last time. I shall ignore any more "my trolley is off the tracks" posts.

If it makes you happy I will admit that the constitution says nothing about pride or heritage. As far as heritage is concerned it says the opposite. But the attitude of people here is that any Southerner that is proud of his heritage is a traitor and racist. I am proud of my heritage and I am neither. Now maybe we should change the definition Southerner to mean traitor then we could teach our children be proud of that, but then who would fight your wars for you.

[Lord Jim]

All a Southerner has to do to be a traitor is to be proud of the courage of his ancestors.

In all fairness lib, as completely wrong-headed as much (nearly all) of what has been posted by those on the other side of this discussion has been, I haven't seen anybody, (not even rube) say or imply that...

Nobody here has called me a "traitor"*












*At least not for that reason. Rube has repeatedly referred to the Republican Party as "the party of treason" so by implication that would make me a "traitor", but that's a whole different topic. (He's also called me a "racist" but I think you know what high regard I hold his opinion in...)

[MajGenl.Meade]

Ah, that's only because you're not a Southerner, you Yankee dog!

[Scooter]

But the attitude of people here is that any Southerner that is proud of his heritage is a traitor and racist.

Where?

Quote even a single instance of anyone saying any such thing.

Just one.

I'll provide an incentive that might interest you - come up with even one quote that resembles the statement you made in the slightest degree, you get any other poster of your choosing, past or present, to agree that it does, and I will do homage before an image of Jefferson Davis and leave this place without posting ever again.

No downside to you at all if you can't come up with anything, except to confirm what everyone already knows, that you're a pathetic whiner who uses posts like that to generate the pity parties required to reinforce the low opinion you have of yourself.

Shall we set a deadline of one...no, two weeks. We know that your reading speed is slowed by the need to move your lips.

Until then.

[MajGenl.Meade]

you get any other poster of your choosing, past or present, to agree that it does, and I will do homage before an image of Jefferson Davis and leave this place without posting ever again.

It's just so tempting... but no, I've already disagreed with lib too much on this subject so I can't be his witness. wesw - lib needs you!

[oldr_n_wsr]

I have been called a redneck. Not many from Long Island earn that title. I wear it proudly.
People I know and visit (I'll be up among some of them this weekend), most would call them rednecks in a derogatory manner but they are some of the nicest, most helpful and resourceful people I know.

[liberty]

Rube has repeatedly referred to the Republican Party as "the party of treason" so by implication that would make me a "traitor", but that's a whole different topic. ...)

If one was to look at the war from the position of political party and use their definition of treason I as a Democrat would be a traitor again because the Democrat party was the party of the South. It was a war the between Republicans and Democrats and the Republicans won.

Using their definition of treason the Democrat party is the party of treason.