oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without consent

[BoSoxGal]

[oldr_n_wsr]

kumbya my lord, kumbya.....

[Lord Jim]

This is the kind of absolutist thinking from some folks in the pro-choice movement (no source, so we don't know who) that makes pro-choicers look foolish.

Here's a really good example of the sort of thing that makes "pro-choicers" look foolish...(or even callous and venal...)

Planned Parenthood head apologizes for "tone" in undercover video

WASHINGTON • Planned Parenthood Federation of America President Cecile Richards Thursday apologized for the "tone" of an explosive undercover video showing a top official of the organization talking about body parts of aborted fetuses and prices related to those parts.

Richards apologized in a video of her own, one in which she attacked the creator of the undercover footage as an anti-abortion organization that is not interested in women's health. The original video, which had more than 2 million views in its first two days on the Internet, was called "monstrous" by Rep. Ann Wagner, R-Ballwin, a member of the House Pro-Life Caucus.

The original video shows two people posing as employees of a company seeking to procure body parts. At a Los Angeles restaurant, they are heard discussing with Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood’s senior director of medical research, her organization’s policies on the donation of fetal tissue.

One of the two undercover questioners can be heard asking a halting and truncated question about price. Nucatola responds, "You know, I would throw a number out, I would say it's probably anywhere from $30 to $100, depending on the facility and what is involved." She also describes how doctors can perform abortions in ways that leave fetal hearts, livers and organs intact.

Planned Parenthood said those were references to allowed costs of shipping and other costs of handling and transporting legally donated tissue from aborted fetuses. Wagner and other anti-abortion members of Congress cited the video in getting congressional probes of whether Planned Parenthood was illegally selling tissue from abortions.

In the video Thursday, Richards said that the undercover video was "heavily edited," and declared, "I want to be very clear: The allegations that Planned Parenthood profits in any way from tissue donation is not true."

But, she also said: "Our top priority is compassionate care. … In the video, one of our staff members speaks in a way that does not reflect that compassion. This is unacceptable, and I personally apologize for the staff member's tone and statements."

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... 46324.html

I've been trying to find a copy of the video without commentary, unsuccessfully...

But the video taken on it's face, even without a POV intro is pretty appalling...(As PP's President Richards herself seems to realize...)

So will Nuctola be fired?

Ms. Richards is being far too modest when she describes Dr. Nuctola as a mere "staff member"...

She is "Planned Parenthood’s senior director of medical research"...

[Scooter]

I'm sorry, someone goes into a Planned Parenthood office to make a heavily doctored video to make it look like PP is selling fetal body parts when in fact the numbers quoted are shipping costs, and I'm supposed to be upset at a PP staff member because...??

[Lord Jim]

Scooter, I'm not trying to argue that Planned Parenthood is involved in the illegal sale of aborted fetal body parts...

What drew my attention to this story, was the fact that even with that not being the case, and even with the accusation that this video was "heavily doctored" (I don't know if it was or not; it just looks like two folks casually having a discussion over lunch to me)

That The President Of Planned Parenthood, (Not FOX News, not Rush Limbaugh, not Ann Coulter, not some other member of The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy...) saw it as sufficiently damning to say:

"Our top priority is compassionate care. … In the video, one of our staff members speaks in a way that does not reflect that compassion. This is unacceptable, and I personally apologize for the staff member's tone and statements."

If it's complete bollix, why not just say, "that's a total fabricated right-wing video hit piece, that completely misrepresented what was said. I stand 100% by Dr. Nucatola "

Rather than apologizing profusely and rhetorically down-grading Dr. Nucatola from "senior director of medical research" to just a "staff member"....

[rubato]

In LJ-Land it is 'damning' to say that their TONE could have been better?



To a rational person she is being very professional and honest and giving a very mild critique.



yrs,
rubato

[Lord Jim]

I'm really trying to be patient with you, but let me assure you, that there is a limit to my patience...

[BoSoxGal]

What's so awful about the subject of fetal body parts being repurposed? The alternative is they go entirely to waste.

Anti choicers need to stuff the morality drama. Abortion is legal and that isn't going to change.


ETA: and yes, the director of PP is forced to make such apologetic statements to placate the fence sitters in this ridiculous morality drama. Privately I'm sure she has zero problem with how the medical research director, a scientist, was speaking.

[Lord Jim]

What's so awful about the subject of fetal body parts being repurposed?

That's an excellent point....

So we might as well marinate them, and throw 'em on the grill...

[BoSoxGal]

We don't freak out about repurposing the body parts of once-sentient humans through organ donation; why freak out over repurposing fetal body parts?

Stupid. Anti choice moral drama.

[Econoline]

Jim - If you could find someone willing to donate an aborted fetus to you, for that purpose, I'm sure you'd be in exactly the same legal position as if someone willed their own body to you, to be marinated and grilled after their death....

[Lord Jim]

Re-purposed

"Re-purposed"....

That really does sound like something taken from an Orwellian post-Apocalyptic story, doesn't it?

[Econoline]

From Planned Parenthood (http://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/ ... DveOo.dpuf):

5 Facts about the Latest Video Smear Attack on Planned Parenthood

On July 14, anti-abortion activists with a long record of deceiving the public released their latest campaign — the latest in a seven-year string of false bills of goods they seek to sell to the media and the public.

Beyond the media coverage (which showed that the accusations have no evidence), here are five facts about these videos that you need to know.

1. Nowhere does anyone from Planned Parenthood discuss "selling" fetal tissue.

Even the heavily edited video from extreme anti-abortion activists doesn't show this or make this accusation. It simply doesn't happen.

On the video, the Planned Parenthood staff member talks about standard reimbursement fees for costs associated with tissue donation programs, which every health care provider has and which the federal law provides for.

2. Planned Parenthood helps patients who wish to donate fetal tissue, just like other health care providers do.

Some Planned Parenthood affiliates have programs for women and families who want to donate tissue to leading research institutions that will use it to help find treatment and cures for diseases like Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.

These programs are just like any other high-quality health care provider's — they follow all ethics and laws, patients consent fully, and nobody benefits financially.

3. The people who launched this campaign have a track record of making totally false claims.

The person leading this campaign used to be a senior staff member at Live Action, which for seven years has made false claims that have been widely discredited by journalists and independent organizations; Forbes Magazine noted that their claims about Planned Parenthood "fall apart upon close inspection."

4. The fact that far-right, anti-abortion politicians are latching onto this doesn't make it any more credible or real.

GOP politicians remain in a race to prove who can be the worst on women's health, and this story is no exception.

Whether it's Carly Fiorina's social media page or Bobby Jindal's sham "investigation," none of the partisan attempts to make this a real story change the fact that it's a highly edited video from anti-abortion activists who have made false charges for years, now making claims with no basis in reality and no evidence to back them up.

5. The full, 2.5-hour video shows selective editing that twists and distorts what was said on the tape.

Late in the day, the Live Action-offshoot group released a longer video. It shows that the Planned Parenthood staffer was talking in the context of stem cell research, and was talking about standard reimbursement rates for costs associated with tissue donation — all of which was edited to change the meaning.

The 2.5-hour video also shows that the Planned Parenthood staffer's discussion of brain stem tissue that can help researchers study brain tumors and spinal chord injuries was distorted by editing to make it appear that she was talking about trafficking body parts, which she clearly wasn't.

[Lord Jim]

And yet...

The President Of Planned Parenthood said:

" In the video, one of our staff members speaks in a way that does not reflect that compassion. This is unacceptable, and I personally apologize for the staff member's tone and statements." ...

Do you figure she made that admission because she's a part of the Koch Brothers, FOX News, "vast right wing conspiracy"?...

I'm guessing no...

[Scooter]

Why was that the only sentence quoted? Where is the rest of her statement? The only reason I can think of is that, just like the video, it was edited down to make it appear that the thrust of her remarks were something completely different that what is being portrayed.

"Sorry about the tone" sounds like it could have been delivered in an almost throw away manner in a statement that otherwise gave a completely different impression. It sounds like those apologies that begin "I'm sorry if anyone was offended by the way they interpreted what I said."

[Lord Jim]

Scooter, that's not the only sentence quoted...

You can read everything Richards said...

She goes on at some length, talking about how "heavily edited" this video supposedly was...if you look at the full text, she was clearly trying to defend, and explain, and make excuses...

But after having reviewed all of that, and made those excuses, she still said:

" In the video, one of our staff members speaks in a way that does not reflect that compassion. This is unacceptable, and I personally apologize for the staff member's tone and statements."

I give Ms. Richards some props for that...

Despite the fact that she tried to minimize Dr. Nuctola's role, (as a "staff member") it can't have been easy for her to admit just how awful this makes her organization look, and apologize for it...

That took some character...

[Scooter]

She goes on at some length, talking about how "heavily edited" this video supposedly was...if you look at the full text, she was clearly trying to defend, and explain, and make excuses...

So when I said:

it was edited down to make it appear that the thrust of her remarks were something completely different that what is being portrayed

I was absolutely spot on.

Thank you.

[Lord Jim]

But when you said:

it was edited down to make it appear that the thrust of her remarks were something completely different that what is being portrayed.

You were absolutely spot off...

Because you can look at the full text, and it doesn't change the meaning of what she said...

Thank you.

[Scooter]

It doesn't change meaning of those particular words. But if she devoted 90% or whatever of her remarks to, as you say "defend, explain, and make excuses" for Nuctola, and one sentence regretting her "tone", then it wasn't anything close to the throw-her-under-the bus moment as you are trying so hard to portray it by asking when Nuctola is going to be fired. She isn't going to be fired because, given the 90% or whatever of her remarks that Richards spends defending Nuctola, she clearly doesn't see Nuctola's "unacceptable tone" as the defining quality of her interaction with the right wing spy that day.

I will leave it at that because I'm not sure if your misunderstanding of what I have been saying is really genuine, or if this is a Mickey the Dunce routine, and I just don't have any energy for the latter today.

[BoSoxGal]

What's so awful about the subject of fetal body parts being repurposed? The alternative is they go entirely to waste.

Anti choicers need to stuff the morality drama. Abortion is legal and that isn't going to change.


ETA: and yes, the director of PP is forced to make such apologetic statements to placate the fence sitters in this ridiculous morality drama. Privately I'm sure she has zero problem with how the medical research director, a scientist, was speaking.