Another cinema shooting

[BoSoxGal]

I agree, but I've lost all hope for gun control reform. I'm putting my energy & $ toward advocating for expanded community mental health services.

[rubato]

Mass shootings are almost exclusively an American phenomenon amoung G-20 nations because the GOP is the only political party with their heads so far up their asses that they don't care how many thousands of people are killed needlessly.

Republicans, they make the National Front and Golden Dawn look like moderates.

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[rubato]

Mass shootings are an American trait because the GOP are the only political party in the world morally bankrupt enough to make it illegal for the CDC to do research on gun violence.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... t_cdc.html

"...


In the 1990s, politicians backed by the NRA attacked researchers for publishing data on firearm research. For good measure, they also went after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for funding the research. According to the NRA, such science is not “legitimate.” To make sure federal agencies got the message, Rep. Jay Dickey (R-Ark.) sponsored an amendment that stripped $2.6 million from the CDC’s budget, the exact amount it had spent on firearms research the previous year.

But last summer, Dickey recanted. No longer in office, he wrote an editorial stating that “scientific research should be conducted into preventing firearm injuries and that ways to prevent firearm deaths can be found without encroaching on the rights of legitimate gun owners.”
...
PT: About as many people in the United States are killed in auto accidents as by firearms. How does the amount of research and number of scientists in auto safety compare to firearm safety?

GW: I believe that 2012 will turn out to be the first year in which the United States has more deaths from firearm violence than motor vehicles.

An entire federal agency, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, has as its mission the understanding and prevention of death and injury on our roads and highways. It reports fiscal year 2012 funding of $62.4 million overall for research and analysis: $35.5 million for vehicle safety and $26.9 million for highway safety.

These funds are well spent. For nearly 50 years, this agency has worked to reduce death and injury. And it has succeeded. ... "

http://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-nra- ... rch-2013-1
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1809263


$62 million for traffic safety, 0 for firearm safety with predictable results.


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[wesw]

so I take it that you all have turned in your own guns?

[Lord Jim]

It's Ronald Reagan's fault...

[Lord Jim]

so I take it that you all have turned in your own guns?

Wes, long time readers of this bbs, (and the two previous ones) would know that rube (by his own admission) once owned a firearm but doesn't currently....

My (well founded, I suspect) suspicion for why this is the case, is because Frau Rube doesn't want her Barney Fife husband within a hundred miles of a loaded gun... (maybe he can have a pistol so long as he keeps his bullet in his pocket.... )

[wesw]

last I heard he still had it, but I may have missed something

[Long Run]

And, looking at all of the various sources that are moderately to very reliable, none of them have the take Sue got from the far left blogosphere.

Exactly which part of it what I posted is not true and not carried by a "major" media outlet?[/quote

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The shooter was a radical right-wing terrorist:

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/louisia ... iA.twitter

He was apparently a well-known guest on local talk radio and teevee shows, brought on because airing his extremist views "could make the phones ring."

Of course, Fux Nooz describes him as a "mysterious drifter" with "no political affiliation."

I was pointing out the irony of you slamming Fox for covering the story like every other regular news outlet -- drifter with severe emotional problems -- by citing a far left biased blogsite. The biased blogsite mischaracterizes this as a right wing terrorist attack rather than what it is -- a mentally disturbed person committing a heinous crime when he should have been under monitored care. Bigsky is right, this is more a failure of our mental health system than anything else.

[BoSoxGal]

Don't put words in my mouth, Long Run.

Guns are a scourge in this country and gun control should be much, much more stringent than it is. The early NRA shared this view. I'm inclined to agree with Sue, that we should abolish the 2nd Amendment; I just don't think it's remotely possible.

The easy availability of guns which cause nearly 40,000 unnecessary deaths every year in this country is equally horrible as the pathetic state of our mental health system, which most importantly profoundly harms the 98% of mentally ill people who would never, ever engage in violent behavior.

[rubato]

I support the idea that those who own guns are 100% liable for the proper storage and security of those guns. If those guns are stolen or taken by a child and used to kill or injure someone then the gun owner has 100% liability for all injuries and the burden of proof is on them to show that the guns were secured. If someone sells or gives a gun to someone else and that person is a psychopath and kills people with it, the gun seller is liable.

That is what real responsibility looks like and that would actually reduce the number of mass killings. (204 in the first 204 days of this year)

The GOP are cowards who don't care how many people die as long as they get their 'fix' from the NRA.

Congratulations GOP, You are a worse plague on America than ebola.


GOP, grow a pair of balls and do the right thing.


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[wesw]

it s easy to spew vile hatred on the internet, any coward can do it.

[rubato]

It's easy to avoid the facts. Even you can do it.

Deal with the facts, troll.


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[rubato]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... 15-so-far/

There have been 204 mass shootings — and 204 days — in 2015 so far
By Christopher Ingraham July 24
Mass shootings that forever changed America(1:35)
From Columbine to Charleston, here's a look at some of the most notable U.S. mass shootings. (Alice Li/The Washington Post)

The headlines all start to sound the same after awhile. Seven people shot inside Louisville nightclub. Four men shot in Suffolk early Sunday morning. Two dead, two hospitalized in Brice Street shooting.

The shootings happen so often, the circumstances become so familiar, that we tune them out. One dead, five injured in west Columbus shooting. Four shot in grocery store ambush. One dead, four injured in Stockton shooting.

Every now and then a particularly heinous crime makes us pause and reflect. Nine dead in shooting at black church in Charleston. Four marines, one sailor killed in attacks on Chattanooga military facilities. Gunman opens fire on Louisiana movie theater.

The Mass Shooting Tracker, a crowd-sourced project of the anti-gun folks at the Guns Are Cool subreddit, lists 203 mass shooting events so far in 2015. Add in the shooting at a Louisiana movie theater last night and you get 204. Incidentally, yesterday was the 204th day of the year.

[Another day, another massacre – and it’s hard to explain why]

The Mass Shooting Tracker is different from other shooting databases in that it uses a broader definition of mass shooting. "The old FBI definition of Mass Murder (not even the most recent one) is four or more people murdered in one event," the site's creators explain. "It is only logical that a Mass Shooting is four or more people shot in one event." These shootings have become so common that they typically don't even make national news. Do you remember the four people shot in Cincinnati earlier this month? How about the seven in Cleveland, or the nine in Fort Wayne? Unless you live in these areas, you probably didn't even hear about them. ..."

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[wesw]

but am I a rock troll or a river troll?

but seriously alice.

the second amendment is the linchpin of our bill of rights, and our constitution. without out it the rest of our rights are indefensible. we become susceptible to tyranny and tyrants like you.

so its "cold dead fingers" for me and millions of others who still believe in this great experiment and our founding ideals.

bloviate away my fellow poster. trade your essential liberty for temporary safety if you want, but don t try to take mine. I will defend it with my life....

[liberty]

He's everything he claims to detest and despite his claims otherwise he gets worse evry day.

So says king A-hole the second.

[wesw]

liberty, you are beginning to sound like rubbato at times.....

I like a good argument as much as the next guy, but.....

these little insult fests do nothing to further your points or agendas, they only serve to further alienate you from the people you disagree with, and the people who actually agree with you are put off as well.

and honestly, insulting ones heritage or race or family does not require much in the way of intellect, it only requires a mean spirit.

[Crackpot]

He's everything he claims to detest and despite his claims otherwise he gets worse evry day.

So says king A-hole the second.

That supposed to upset me? I've long admitted to being an asshole (sometimes more proudly than I should). He heck I'd even cop to the mantle "racist" as I have noticed a long ingrained reflex to make assumptions based on race than individual merit or even the ability to extend the same benefit of a doubt that is given to those of my own race. I count my self lucky to have had enough black friends in my history to realize that I hadn't been finding "the good ones" but I had been assuming they all were bad to begin with. There is not a day goes by that I am not thankful for that little bit of self realization that allows me to correct an ingrown propensity toward racism and become a little less of an asshole.

[Econoline]

[Gob]

US presidential hopeful Rick Perry has said filmgoers should be able to take their guns into cinemas in order to help stop fatal shootings.

Speaking on CNN’s State of the Union on Sunday, gun rights proponent Perry was reminded by host Jake Tapper of the killings in Lafayette, Louisiana on Thursday evening at a screening of the Amy Schumer comedy Trainwreck. The former Texas governor, who is running for the Republican ticket for the 2016 presidential election, said “gun-free zones” were a “bad idea” and questioned whether allowing people to carry firearms in public spaces might have saved lives during recent fatal shooting incidents.

“I think that it makes a lot of sense to send a message across this country,” said Perry in response to a direct question from Tapper asking if he was suggesting that allowing filmgoers to carry firearms might be a “solution”. “If we believe in the second amendment, we believe in people’s right to protect themselves and defend themselves and their families.”

Perry added: “I will suggest to you that these concepts of gun-free zones are a bad idea. I think that you allow the citizens of this country, who have been appropriately trained, appropriately backgrounded and know how to handle and use firearms, to carry them. I believe that, with all my heart, that if you have the citizens who are well trained, and particularly in these places that are considered to be gun-free zones, that we can stop that type of activity, or stop it before there’s as many people that are impacted as what we saw in Lafayette.”

I'm sorry, but people will actually vote for this moron? Seriously?

[wesw]

no they won t, but they will be packin' at the theatre......

democrats will be packin' too, they just won t admit it....