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A few words on writing from the crunchy and yeasty JKG

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And a reminder of why I subscribed to the Atlantic for so long ( and recently re-subscribed online ).

March 1978 issue of The Atlantic

John Kenneth Galbraith
"All writers know that on some golden mornings they are touched by the wand — are on intimate terms with poetry and cosmic truth. I have experienced those moments myself. Their lesson is simple: It's a total illusion. And the danger in the illusion is that you will wait for those moments. Such is the horror of having to face the typewriter that you will spend all your time waiting. I am persuaded that most writers, like most shoemakers, are about as good one day as the next (a point which Trollope made), hangovers apart. The difference is the result of euphoria, alcohol, or imagination. The meaning is that one had better go to his or her typewriter every morning and stay there regardless of the seeming result. It will be much the same. ..."

"My advice to those eager students in California would be, "Do not wait for the golden moment. It may well be worse." I would also warn against the flocking tendency of writers and its use as a cover for idleness. It helps greatly in the avoidance of work to be in the company of others who are also waiting for the golden moment. The best place to write is by yourself, because writing becomes an escape from the terrible boredom of your own personality. It's the reason that for years I've favored Switzerland, where I look at the telephone and yearn to hear it ring. ..."

"There may be inspired writers for whom the first draft is just right. But anyone who is not certifiably a Milton had better assume that the first draft is a very primitive thing. The reason is simple: Writing is difficult work. Ralph Paine, who managed Fortune in my time, used to say that anyone who said writing was easy was either a bad writer or an unregenerate liar. Thinking, as Voltaire avowed, is also a very tedious thing which men—or women—will do anything to avoid. So all first drafts are deeply flawed by the need to combine composition with thought. Each later draft is less demanding in this regard. Hence the writing can be better. There does come a time when revision is for the sake of change—when one has become so bored with the words that anything that is different looks better. But even then it may be better. ..."

"Next, I would want to tell my students of a point strongly pressed, if my memory serves, by Shaw. He once said that as he grew older, he became less and less interested in theory, more and more interested in information. The temptation in writing is just the reverse. Nothing is so hard to come by as a new and interesting fact. Nothing is so easy on the feet as a generalization. I now pick up magazines and leaf through them looking for articles that are rich with facts; I do not care much what they are. Richly evocative and deeply percipient theory I avoid. It leaves me cold unless I am the author of it. ..."

"In the case of economics there are no important propositions that cannot be stated in plain language. Qualifications and refinements are numerous and of great technical complexity. These are important for separating the good students from the dolts. But in economics the refinements rarely, if ever, modify the essential and practical point. The writer who seeks to be intelligible needs to be right; he must be challenged if his argument leads to an erroneous conclusion and especially if it leads to the wrong action. But he can safely dismiss the charge that he has made the subject too easy. The truth is not difficult. Complexity and obscurity have professional value—they are the academic equivalents of apprenticeship rules in the building trades. They exclude the outsiders, keep down the competition, preserve the image of a privileged or priestly class. The man who makes things clear is a scab. He is criticized less for his clarity than for his treachery.

"Additionally, and especially in the social sciences, much unclear writing is based on unclear or incomplete thought. It is possible with safety to be technically obscure about something you haven't thought out. It is impossible to be wholly clear on something you do not understand. Clarity thus exposes flaws in the thought. The person who undertakes to make difficult matters clear is infringing on the sovereign right of numerous economists, sociologists, and political scientists to make bad writing the disguise for sloppy, imprecise, or incomplete thought. One can understand the resulting anger."
Facts come first.


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Facts come first.


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Actually rube, I appreciate that quote. I'm wrestling with exactly that problem; writing comes easily to me... so when it doesn't, I tend to back away from what should be done for months on end. Rather than write (and the rewrite and rewrite), I put it all off and wait for that inspiration to come and the words to trip out in exactly the correct order.

As Vonnegut said when asked for his advice on how to be a writer: "Write!"
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts

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I just find it wildly amusing when I see rube prattling nonsense about what great regard he has for "facts"...(as he's done a number of times...talk about a complete disconnect from reality... :loon )

Based on his substantial proven record on this bbs (and two earlier ones) over nearly two decades, rube's relationship with "facts" are pretty much equivalent to a sociopathic serial killer's relationship to his victims...

He has nothing but complete contempt and utter disdain for them...
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Helpful contribution there, LJ. :lol:
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A link to the whole article. Worth the time.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... cs/305165/


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MajGenl.Meade wrote:Helpful contribution there, LJ. :lol:
Well, perhaps not...

But it's still a spot on analogy... 8-)

ETA:

I'm going to listen to a lecture from rubato about the value of "facts" about the same time I decide to make Whitey Bulger my go-to guy on the virtues of following the law... ;)
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Facts come first.
Well, if you think that's a lecture.... He's merely commenting on the necessity to deal with reality rather than sitting on one's arse waiting for inspiration. At least, I think so.

But at any rate, he didn't attack you, so why the big dick reflex?
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He's merely commenting on the necessity to deal with reality rather than sitting on one's arse waiting for inspiration.
You apparently have missed the point of why rube posted this...

Which seems to me to be kind of tough to do since he underlined it and put it in bold, and then emphasized it again with his own words:
He once said that as he grew older, he became less and less interested in theory, more and more interested in information. The temptation in writing is just the reverse. Nothing is so hard to come by as a new and interesting fact. Nothing is so easy on the feet as a generalization. I now pick up magazines and leaf through them looking for articles that are rich with facts; I do not care much what they are. Richly evocative and deeply percipient theory I avoid. It leaves me cold unless I am the author of it. ..."
Facts come first.
Rube's point wasn't to post an article about the necessity of engaging in discipline and hard work in order to write. It was to say, 'Lookie here, here's an article about a famous and learned person who prized and respected the value of facts, just like I do..."

This delusional fantasy he has about how he values facts is a recurrent theme of his, and as I said I find it wildly amusing... (In fact downright hilarious in light of all the factually bollixed crapolla he posts...In many cases factually bollixed crapola that he could have easily avoided if he hadn't been too lazy to perform a 10 second search...)

On the other hand, maybe rube really does respect facts...That would certainly explain why he uses them so sparingly...

On those rare occasions when he does manage to somehow get a hold of an actual fact, 90% of the time it's either cherry picked out of context, or doesn't remotely prove the point he was trying to make....
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