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Re: pool for hillary s withdrawal date....

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According to various anonymous sources, Joe Biden is leaning more toward launching a 2016 bid than he was when the idea was floated earlier this summer, and if you believe an anonymous senior Democrat who spoke to CNN, President Obama just gave him his blessing.
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New poll showing Clinton beating everyone
is reported as bad news for Hillary
A new Quinnipiac University poll shows Hillary Clinton coasting to a crushing victory in a three-way race against Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden, winning 45 percent of the vote, compared with 22 for Sanders and 18 for Biden.

And the good news for Clinton doesn't stop there.

  • The poll shows Clinton beating Jeb Bush head to head.
  • The poll shows Clinton beating Marco Rubio head to head.
  • The poll shows Clinton beating Donald Trump head to head.
  • The poll shows Clinton winning in a landslide in scenarios where Trump runs as an independent.
  • The poll did not test Clinton against Scott Walker or other possible nominees.


So how did the media report this poll showing that if the election were held this week Hillary Clinton would win? Well, as bad news for Hillary Clinton!



Two things are happening here. One is that "Clinton is still winning" is a boring headline, so there's a tendency to grasp at straws to come up with something else. The other is that the press as a whole doesn't like Clinton very much (and the feeling is mutual), so there's a bias toward believing that the public feels the same way. So somehow her campaign is struggling even when it's winning, and polls that show her winning are reported as showing her losing.

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9214461/clinton-poll-lead

I repeat my prediction:
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Wowsers, talk about context-free spin...(but it's Vox, so that's pretty much par for the course; if somebody wants to use FOX or The Washington Times or Breitbart.com as a source the folks citing Vox have zero room to criticize.)
Clinton leads the Democratic field with 45 percent, down from 55 percent July 30, with U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont at 22 percent and Biden at 18 percent. No other candidate tops 1 percent with 11 percent undecided. This is Sanders’ highest tally and closest margin.
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/pollin ... Ueg38d.pdf

Hell yes the fact that Clinton has dropped yet another 10 points, (a few months ago she led the field by fifty points, now more than half of Democrats either prefer someone else or are undecided. In fact if you combine Sanders and Biden's numbers she leads by only 5%) is the legitimate news here.

When put in honest context, it would be irresponsible journalism to attempt to portray these new numbers as anything but bad news for her.

Ditto the general election match ups:
According to a Quinnipiac University poll released Thursday, if Biden was the democratic candidate, he would beat Donald Trump by eight points (48 - 40 percent), former Florida Governor Jeb Bush by six points (45 - 39) and Senator Marco Rubio by three points (44 - 41). Clinton only beats Trump by four points (45 - 41), Bush by two points (42 - 40) and Rubio by one point (44 - 43).
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/artic ... icans-poll

So let's see...

Her lead over Trump, (who a couple of months ago she led by 25 points) is now just barely outside the margin of error, and her "lead" over Bush (who had a pretty lousy month; some verbal stumbles and constant public pummeling from Trump) and Rubio, (who doesn't have the 100% name identification that Clinton has) is within the poll's margin of error, making those match-ups basically a coin toss...

On top of that, Democratic donors and movers and shakers can look at the poll results and easily think "Hmmm...Biden might be the stronger candidate"....


It's mind boggling how anyone even slightly more objective than James Carville or Chelsea could look at these numbers and say, "wow this is really good news for Hillary"... :roll: :loon

That there's some serious shilling goin' on from the partisan propagandists at Vox....

You pretty much have to have been marooned on a desert island for the past six months, and have absolutely no idea of the context of those numbers to swallow what Vox is peddling...
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ok, so we have econo, guin, and maybe crackpot, still all in with Hillary.

anyone else willing to vote for her?

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Wes, I believe that even though she isn't their first choice, Big RR, Sue and rube all plan to vote for her if she is the nominee.
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perhaps, and bigsky too. but if they are gonna vote for someone else in the primary.......

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I HAVE SUCH DISDAIN...

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... for Hillary that if she gets the nomination I will not cast my vote for her, or any presidential candidate. And if she loses by one vote I will be prepared to accept one term Jeb!Bush as my president.

Remember, ONLY 436 days left until Election Day 2016. The excitement is palpable.
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Can I interest you in a Kasich?

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wesw. Kasich?

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That's going to be Jeb!'s VP running mate. "Johnny The K" is not quite ready for prime time.
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nah, Kasich has better things to do. he won t be vice president. its all or nuttin'

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You're wrong about that Wes; he'd take it in a heartbeat. Since Ted Kennedy turned down George McGovern in 1972, no one has refused the nomination for VP of a major political party when offered.

Even if they had previously said they didn't want it.
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More Great News For Hillary! She Leads In Iowa!
Iowa Poll: Clinton leads, but Sanders draws near

Liberal revolutionary Bernie Sanders, riding an updraft of insurgent passion in Iowa, has closed to within 7 points of Hillary Clinton in the Democratic presidential race.

She's the first choice of 37 percent of likely Democratic caucusgoers; he's the pick for 30 percent, according to a new Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Politics Iowa Poll.

But Clinton has lost a third of her supporters since May, a trajectory that if sustained puts her at risk of losing again in Iowa, the initial crucible in the presidential nominating contest.

This is the first time Clinton, the former secretary of state and longtime presumptive front-runner, has dropped below the 50 percent mark in four polls conducted by the Register and Bloomberg Politics this year.

Poll results include Vice President Joe Biden as a choice, although he has not yet decided whether to join the race. Biden captures 14 percent, five months from the first-in-the-nation vote Feb. 1. Even without Biden in the mix, Clinton falls below a majority, at 43 percent.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/ ... /71387664/

Here's the version for Vox:

Iowa Poll: Clinton leads, but Sanders draws near

Liberal revolutionary Bernie Sanders, riding an updraft of insurgent passion in Iowa, has closed to within 7 points of Hillary Clinton in the Democratic presidential race.

She's the first choice of 37 percent of likely Democratic caucusgoers; he's the pick for 30 percent, according to a new Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Politics Iowa Poll.

But Clinton has lost a third of her supporters since May, a trajectory that if sustained puts her at risk of losing again in Iowa, the initial crucible in the presidential nominating contest.

This is the first time Clinton, the former secretary of state and longtime presumptive front-runner, has dropped below the 50 percent mark in four polls conducted by the Register and Bloomberg Politics this year.

Poll results include Vice President Joe Biden as a choice, although he has not yet decided whether to join the race. Biden captures 14 percent, five months from the first-in-the-nation vote Feb. 1. Even without Biden in the mix, Clinton falls below a majority, at 43 percent.
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Reminds me of the mindless statistics cited showing the difference between the economy when Obama was elected (bottom of one of the worst recessions ever) and where the economy stands now, with a "good job" "well done" exclamation comments. Uh, hello, widespread agreement among economists that this is the worst recovery from a recession ever under many measurements. Now, clearly Obama is not to blame for all of the factors that have led to this being a terrible economic recovery, but presiding over what is probably the worst economic recovery in history is not something to gloat about. Similarly, Clinton losing a huge lead in the polls to a regional and parochial politician (Sanders would not get 30% of the vote if he were up for a state office in most states), and losing ground to all of her major (and non-major) competitors is not good news.

On the other hand, you can say her lead is holding up even though she has been consistently hammered by storms (of her own making) for the last several months. Still, citing polls showing the lead holding, while declining dramatically, makes no sense.

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SANDERS GAINING ON CLINTON...

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... is proof positive that Biden has a very realistic shot as the DNC nominee. Democrats like me are gravitating toward Bernie at the moment because we have no other viable choice. The breakdown at the moment:
Clinton 37%
Sanders 31%
Biden 14%
(Undecided 18%)
When Biden finally announces his bid it will only be logical to see him surge in these (horribly premature) polls but it would be a monumental gain and a sure sign of lasting support. The new data would show:
Biden 49%
Clinton 33%
(Undecided 10%)
Sanders 8%

It a no-brainer to see Clinton's sins of omission (email)far outweigh Biden's sins of omissions (attribution). He'd be an easy choice for most of us to quickly accept and run with. GO!... JOE.
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The stench of desperation wafts off the conservatives.

They have a field of candidates who are unfit, liars, stupid, incompetents, racists, and assorted useless detritus.

Of course they focus on Hillary. Focussing on them is like looking through a microscope in a bacteriology class. Disease vectors all.


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Actually, the "stench of desperation" is wafting off of Hillary...

She's so desperate to get press coverage about herself on anything other than her ethical problems or her sagging poll numbers, that this week she took a leaf out of Trumpty's book, and decided she'd go with outrageous...

Apparently the Republican's are worse than "evil whores"; they're the equivalent of the head choppers at ISIS! :o
Clinton compares Republicans to 'terrorist groups'

Cleveland (CNN)Republican presidential candidates are striking back Friday after Hillary Clinton compared some of them who hold conservative views on abortion and women's reproductive rights to "terrorist groups."

During a riff Thursday where Clinton name checked Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Ohio Gov. John Kasich, Clinton said Republicans are "dead wrong for 21st century America."

"Now, extreme views about women, we expect that from some of the terrorist groups, we expect that from people who don't want to live in the modern world, but it's a little hard to take from Republicans who want to be the president of the United States," Clinton said at a speech in Cleveland. "Yet they espouse out of date, out of touch policies. They are dead wrong for 21st century America. We are going forward, we are not going back."

Republican front-runner Donald Trump, no stranger to blunt remarks, disparaged Clinton's comment Friday morning.

"Her last statement on terrorists was a disgusting statement, by the way," Trump told MSNBC's "Morning Joe." [Gee, something so bad that it disgusted Donald Trump...talk about gagging a maggot...]

Fellow Republican candidate Carly Fiorina slammed the comments as "outrageous," "over the line" and "typical" of Clinton and Democrats in an interview on "Fox News" on Friday.

"What it tells us is that Hillary Clinton has no qualms about continuing to try and wage this supposed 'war on women' card as she runs for president," Fiorina said. "We ought to expect this."

Clinton regularly hits Republicans on women's rights but Thursday's line was a departure from her usual talking points.
Somehow, I don't think that trying to convince people that John Kasich is the equivalent of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is really going to work for her...
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Pah, if you're going to do it Hillary, don't beat about the bush!!
A video has emerged of Jeremy Corbyn equating the actions of Isis with those of the US military, and saying that "some of what they have done is quite appalling."


The Islington North MP and front runner in the Labour leadership race appeared on Russia Today in June 2014.

When asked by the presenter: "What could shift the balance of forces [in Iraq]? What would it take for the Iraqi forces to regain control?", Corbyn replied: "I think it requires a sense of unity and understanding amongst people in Iraq that would want to remain a part of Iraq."

He added: "And also an acceptance and understanding of why so many people in some of the cities in the north have apparently been prepared to accept the Isis forces."

"Yes they are brutal, yes some of what they have done is quite appaling. Likewise, what the Americans did in Fallujah and other places is appalling, but there has to be seen to be an acceptance of a much wider view of the world than is apparent at the present time."

He also expressed a wish that a political solution could be found to end the conflict in Syria, which has been raging since 2011.

He said: "While the West has not yet sent in large numbers of troops, the danger is that in this sort of perilous civil war that is going on, the Western forces will once again be dragged in, and the war will just go on for a long time and with awful consequences for the people of Iraq."

He continued: "I think there has to be a political solution. All wars have to end in some kind of political compromise - why not start with a political compromise now, rather than fuelling the war by putting more weapons, more arms and more money into the conflict."


ETA:

He's a right charmer is Corbyn...
Jeremy Corbyn described the assassination of Osama bin Laden as a ‘tragedy upon a tragedy’ that would make the world a more dangerous place.

In TV footage which emerged online for the first time last week, the Labour leadership frontrunner criticised the killing of the world’s most wanted terrorist in a raid by US special forces.

He told Iranian national television, shortly after bin Laden was shot four years ago, that the 9/11 mastermind should not have received the ‘death penalty’, but should have been put on trial. Failure to do so, Mr Corbyn said, was ‘a tragedy upon a tragedy’, after the World Trade Center attacks, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

'Frightening': In TV footage which emerged online last week, the Labour leadership frontrunner criticised the killing of the world’s most wanted terrorist in a raid by US special forces while appearing on Iranian TV

Critics have described his remarks as ‘frightening’ and displaying a complete lack of understanding of difficult military operations. They will fuel the deep concerns of many voters about Mr Corbyn’s antipathy to Western foreign policy, and follow the recent chorus of criticism over his associations with Islamic extremists.
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Come on Labourites, please, PLEASE pick this man as leader! :ok
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Lord Jim wrote:Wes, I believe that even though she isn't their first choice, Big RR, Sue and rube all plan to vote for her if she is the nominee.
She's not my first choice, but it will depend who she is running against and how the campaign progresses. I have voted for third party candidates in the past and could do so again.

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mills and Sullivan to testify today

staffer who set up server pleads the 5th, to "avoid a spectacle" (ie-doesn t want to lie under oath and doesn t want to tell the truth either)

Clinton campaign "urged him to testify" (ie-urged him to testily lie), and is disappointed that he won t (ie-is planning his untimely demise)

curiouser and curiouser......

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