The Verdict Is In On Deflategate...

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Lord Jim wrote:Hey Guin!

You've got a friend:
'Leave Tom Brady alone!': Donald Trump defends Patriots quarterback at Mass. meet-and-greet

Donald Trump showed his Patriotic side Friday when he defended Deflategate-tainted football star Tom Brady.

“Leave Tom Brady alone,” Trump told a crowd of reporters when asked about the Patriots quarterback. “Tom Brady is an honest guy.”

The Queens-born Republican front-runner was in Norwood, Massachusetts for a meet-and-greet hosted by Ernie Boch Jr.

Brady was suspended by the NFL for four games for his role in the cheating scandal in which underinflated footballs were used by the New England Patriots in the AFC Championship game in January.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.2341142

Wow, if Donald Trump calls you "an honest guy", it's pretty much case closed...you couldn't ask for a better endorser of your veracity than Donald Trump.... :ok

I wonder if Tom will return the favor and endorse The Donald? 8-)

Oh yeah, I'm going to through over all my long and strongly held principals and beliefs and sign on to work for THE DONALD. Go Trumpster, GO!

(Trying to get in on Sue's bridge deal . . . )
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(Trying to get in on Sue's bridge deal . . . )
That's my bridge. I bought it years ago. Have the deed and everything.

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Guinevere wrote:But, but, Meade, you don't care zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
No, it's about Trump, the Hair Apparent. I care. Someone needs to take the air out of him
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The process is fundamentally flawed!

I don't care! Free the New England 1!

Oh.

They just did
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While this unjust decision is disappointing, it's not really surprising given the way the judge has been telegraphing that he was in the tank for Brady. Hopefully there will be a less biased assessment at the appellate level.:
Tom Brady’s Four-Game N.F.L. Suspension Erased by Judge

In a major setback for the N.F.L., New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady prevailed in his battle to have his four-game suspension overturned Thursday, as a federal judge reversed a ruling by Commissioner Roger Goodell to bench one of the league’s biggest stars in a dispute over underinflated balls he used in a January championship game.

Judge Richard M. Berman of Federal District Court in Manhattan did not rule on whether Brady tampered with the footballs in a bid for competitive advantage. Instead, he focused on the narrower question of whether the collective bargaining agreement between the N.F.L. and the players union gave Goodell the authority to carry out the suspension. Judge Berman ruled that it did not.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/sport ... riots.html
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And now let the appeals begin. Although given the narrowness of the decision, I doubt the NFL would win on appeal.

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And now let the appeals begin. Although given the narrowness of the decision, I doubt the NFL would win on appeal.

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Big RR wrote:And now let the appeals begin. Although given the narrowness of the decision, I doubt the NFL would win on appeal.
Just in case you missed it.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Guin nailed it with the "law of the shop". The process was so flawed there was no need to reach the merits of whether the Wells report said what Goodell said it said (i.e., Brady knew and participated), and whether what it said was accurate (Brady was generally aware that there was tampering). So, you can either conclude that the judge was in "the tank for Brady", or you can look at the big picture of Goodell being 0 for 5 on challenges to his discipline rulings and conclude he (and his team) don't know what they are doing and regularly violate basic rules of fairness and due process.

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Than you Long Run. Perhaps that will convince some people here I do know what I'm talking about and I'm not just a biased shrill for the Pats. It is important to remember that this is the jurisdiction the NFL chose, and the judge not only ruled in Brady's favor, he vacated the award in its entirety. That is an extraordinary remedy and he has to have had a very strong basis on which to make that determination. I've skimmed the order and it's very well done. He clearly wrote it for the appeals court, and I am confident they will uphold his decision.

Eta: no one with half a brain goes around suggesting that a senior federal court judge is "in the bag" for any litigant in their court, especially one as well respected as Berman.
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Crackpot wrote:
Big RR wrote:And now let the appeals begin. Although given the narrowness of the decision, I doubt the NFL would win on appeal.
Just in case you missed it.

thanks for the quote; I always like to see my words displayed. :lol:

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Big RR wrote:
Crackpot wrote:
Big RR wrote:And now let the appeals begin. Although given the narrowness of the decision, I doubt the NFL would win on appeal.
Just in case you missed it.

thanks for the quote; I always like to see my words displayed. :lol:
Just to avoid any ego deflation....
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Hey, he got off on a technicality! That's great, that's the American way. The judge even said he was ignoring the factual question of whether he did it or not.



Now lets get back to playing football because we all know that team sports are the best way to teach American males adult manners and good citizenship.



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Now that's irony!
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Not a technicality at all, but the process prescribed by federal law, and as required by the 5th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution.

As I've said before, the court doesn't delve into the underlying facts because of the highly deferential standard toward arbitrations under the Federal Arbitration Act. Instead, the judge looks at the process, and determines whether it was fair and equitable, and also whether the punishment was fair, given the offense and the standards set out in the CBA and by prior decisions of the NFL. The NFL screwed up big time where it could have been a slam dunk for them. Instead, they got greedy, they were very likely biased, and they completely dropped the, well, you know . . . . ball.
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Not that I give the minutest crap, but because some here do:
NEW YORK—A federal appeals court has ruled that New England Patriots Tom Brady must serve a four-game “Deflategate” suspension imposed by the NFL, overturning a lower judge and siding with the league in a battle with the players union....

The three judge panel sided 2-1 with the NFL, saying the league's discipline was properly grounded in the collective bargaining agreement and Brady was treated fairly. Chief Judge Robert Katzmann dissented...

At oral arguments in March, appeals judges seemed skeptical of arguments on Brady's behalf by the NFL Players Association.
Circuit Judge Denny Chin said evidence of ball tampering was “compelling, if not overwhelming” and there was evidence that Brady “knew about it, consented to it, encouraged it."

The league argued that it was fair for Goodell to severely penalize Brady after he concluded the prize quarterback tarnished the game by impeding the NFL's investigation by destroying a cellphone containing nearly 10,000 messages.

Judge Barrington D. Parker said the cellphone destruction raised the stakes “from air in a football to compromising the integrity of a proceeding that the commissioner had convened.”

“So why couldn't the commissioner suspend Mr. Brady for that conduct alone?” he asked. Parker added: “With all due respect, Mr. Brady's explanation of that made no sense whatsoever.”
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:clap:

Nice to see justice finally prevailing... :ok
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It's good to see that the appeals court did not accept the absurd argument that Tom Brady was not aware that his balls were being manipulated. Thank God for truth, justice and the American way.

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And they will still lead, then win, the AFC east. :(

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