joe biden s future?

[wesw]

I really hope that Joe goes home and tries to enjoy his family back at the Delaware beaches.

I kinda like the guy and have voted for him for senator. I m not too pleased with his blind loyalty to the democrats, but I wish him well.

I know he wants to be pres., or once did, but this has really been thrown upon him by Hillary Clinton and her immenent demise as a politician.

not really fair to the old chap.

get that crazy ass Elizabeth warren out of the cobwebs and carry on, Hillary is done. or go with Bernie.

vote Kasich!!!

[RayThom]

I'm only ten minutes away from the Biden compound. The local buzz says Joe is definitely going to run -- with Warren as his VP choice.

Biden has always been a "commuter politician" and still comes home to Greenville a few times a week. The problem he has with campaigning is that it keeps him away from his zone of comfort. By waiting the process out he skips much of the time consuming, nonessential back-slapping, platitudes, pandering, and sloganeering to which we're already overexposed. It's a calculated, yet somewhat risky strategy, of course, but with Hillary as the only viable candidate at the moment, it's one that Biden is willing to take to make his run as palatable as possible.

Contrary to stories floating around there was no deathbed plea from Beau for his dad to run for POTUS. It was, however, a dinner table topic of conversion on many occasions that now holds much more weight. That's his motivation. An announcement by the end of September seems about right to me.

Only 430 days until Election Day 2016. Run, Joe, run...

[wesw]

I agree that he is the best candidate that the dems have, but joe looks worn out...., and old.

in other news... ray, my son s girlfriend killed another copperhead two days ago....

[RayThom]

...in other news... ray, my son s girlfriend killed another copperhead two days ago....

Obviously climate change is creating all sorts of new and different habitats for wildlife. These snakes will probably start showing up in my neighborhood soon. Regardless, I had all but forgotten about my post about viperidae from a few years ago and have since moved on. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if you start spotting piranhas and water buffalo soon. Keep me in the loop.

God bless America and all the strange and wondrous eco-systems that She's allowing Her earthly minion to tinker with. I like to think of it as God's recall notice. Amen.

[wesw]

as I proved to you in le chat house Delaware has always had copperheads, no matter want the DNR/Tourist bureau leaflets say.

do you honestly think that the surrounding counties of marylands eastern shore , with the same habitat, have copperheads but those copperheads honor state boundaries.

the eastern shore has always had copperheads, we even have manatees on occasion.

northern Delaware is a different habitat from southern Delaware. we even have cypress swamps.

copperheads never inhabit cypress swamps..... duh

I saw the damned snake ray.

I know how to post data now, not like before. don t make me bomb you with Delaware copperhead data.

I even caught a copperhead in a minnow trap that I had in a ditch once when I was camping, that was Maryland but so what. snakes don t honor boundaries.

[Econoline]

If Joe Biden makes another run I really don't think he'll be any more successful this time than he was in 1988 or 2008. But what will happen is that he and Hillary will wind up destroying each other and making the Republican candidate's job a little easier. Which is why Republicans really want him to run. Bernie Sanders has pledged not to run a negative campaign for the nomination, and everything about his history and his personality indicates that he will not go negative on Hillary...but Joe would pretty much have to go there if he wants to take the establishment Dems away from her.

(It might even mean that Bernie Sanders will get the nomination; I think Bernie could win, depending on who the GOP nominee is, but I don't think he'd be as strong a candidate as Hillary--mainly because of Hillary's strong foreign policy credentials, as a 4-year veteran Secretary of State. There's no one in the GOP field who can match that.)

Oh, and if Elizabeth Warren says she doesn't want to be President (and I believe her)...why the hell would she want to be VP???

[RayThom]

...Oh, and if Elizabeth Warren says she doesn't want to be President (and I believe her)...why the hell would she want to be VP???

Why? Because she is a loyal Democrat and knows there are better candidates out there other than Hillary. I feel she's fine with Bernie but knows he doesn't have the juice to pull off the nomination.

Besides, simple logic would have it that Biden might very well make himself a one term POTUS and Warren would most assuredly be acceptable as heir-to-the-throne. Voilà... our first woman President, Elizabeth Warren.

Only 429 days until 'E' Day 2016. Time's a-wastin'

[MajGenl.Meade]

Making a test

[oldr_n_wsr]

I've seen copperheads in NY. And that was back when the climate was stable, predictable and reliable.

[Guinevere]

If Joe Biden makes another run I really don't think he'll be any more successful this time than he was in 1988 or 2008. But what will happen is that he and Hillary will wind up destroying each other and making the Republican candidate's job a little easier. Which is why Republicans really want him to run. Bernie Sanders has pledged not to run a negative campaign for the nomination, and everything about his history and his personality indicates that he will not go negative on Hillary...but Joe would pretty much have to go there if he wants to take the establishment Dems away from her.

(It might even mean that Bernie Sanders will get the nomination; I think Bernie could win, depending on who the GOP nominee is, but I don't think he'd be as strong a candidate as Hillary--mainly because of Hillary's strong foreign policy credentials, as a 4-year veteran Secretary of State. There's no one in the GOP field who can match that.)

Oh, and if Elizabeth Warren says she doesn't want to be President (and I believe her)...why the hell would she want to be VP???

This.

Lizzie Warren says she doesn't want to run, and I also believe her. She's made a promise to her constituents to stick around. She will. And fwiw, she also met with Hillary and Bernie before they announced. It means nothing, its not an endorsement (she has refused to endorse anyone right now, and I'm sure she is waiting for the general).

[Lord Jim]

History indicates that if Warren were offered the VP spot by the Presidential nominee, the odds are overwhelming that she would accept it...

Numerous folks who swore up and down they had no interest in the Vice Presidency accepted it when it was offered.

Now whether she would accept it from somebody before they became the Presidential nominee, (which has only been tried once before in modern times; when Reagan announced Pennsylvania moderate Republican Senator Richard Schweiker as his running mate just prior to the 1976 GOP convention.) is a whole 'nuther kettle of fish...

The suggestion has been made that Biden could pick Warren for his VP at the same time he announces, and that they could run as a team. I seriously doubt that she would sign on for that....

I think that this is a pipe dream on the part of some Democrats who are growing increasingly concerned about Hillary's prospects. There's really no political upside for Warren to do this, and a considerable potential downside...

If she did this and Hillary still won the nomination, she would have needlessly put herself in The Clinton Dog House....

(And apparently that's a very unpleasant place to be...just ask Bill Richardson...)

[MajGenl.Meade]

...of history

[rubato]

If Joe Biden makes another run I really don't think he'll be any more successful this time than he was in 1988 or 2008. But what will happen is that he and Hillary will wind up destroying each other and making the Republican candidate's job a little easier. Which is why Republicans really want him to run. Bernie Sanders has pledged not to run a negative campaign for the nomination, and everything about his history and his personality indicates that he will not go negative on Hillary...but Joe would pretty much have to go there if he wants to take the establishment Dems away from her.... "

There is no personal malice I have heard of between Biden and Clinton, they have worked together productively for years and there is a background of mutual respect.

I think there is zero chance of either one of them going negative on the other. They are both intelligent and personally disciplined enough to understand the larger stakes.

As an aside, Hillary has done zero negative campaigning against Bernie in spite of his singular successes*. Bernie for VP? He would draw in a lot of people concerned about domestic policy.

I don't recall that Hillary went negative on Barack Obama, was there any?

yrs,
rubato

*Mind you he has zero chance of getting the nomination. He is serving more as the developer and toner of the campaign putting fairness and justice issues into sharper focus.

[Lord Jim]

I don't recall that Hillary went negative on Barack Obama

Well then permit me to refresh your recollection:

Hillary Clinton told reporters that both she and the presumptive Republican nominee John McCain offer the experience to be ready to tackle any crisis facing the country under their watch, but Barack Obama simply offers more rhetoric. "I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say," she said. "He’s never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002."

And who could forget this classic:



And of course Obama went negative too...

"You're likable enough, Hillary"

And then there were numerous slam comments by aides, surrogates and supporters on both sides, (Mr. Bill was particularly prolific, saying things like comparing Obama to Jesse Jackson...)

The campaign never reached the nastiness level of Reagan vs. Ford or Kennedy vs. Carter, but it definitely got pretty negative...

[rubato]

Very weak tea.

Little more than tepid water. and that's all you've got? Nothing.

Nothing of lasting effect which would hurt either in the presidential race.

And nothing of lasting person effect either. Or have you forgotten who appointed Hillary Sec of State?


yrs,
rubato

[Lord Jim]

LMAO!!!

Yeah, saying the "GOP nominee is qualified to be President, but my opponent isn't" and running an ad that conveys the message, "vote for my opponent and your children may die" is "weak tea"...

The way your intellectual insecurity prevents you from ever admitting when you've fucked up, (which of course you do quite frequently) is one of your most amusing qualities rube...

[dales]

Joe Biden's future............

[wesw]

oldr, did you see them on Long island?

[Guinevere]

Speaking of copperheads, they are here in MA too, and listed on the state threatened and endangered list. I have worked with a snake specialist on several cases because the project area was listed habitat.

At home in MD they were ubiquitous. We used to have them in our well - my uncle would regularly kill them and show them to my sister and I so we knew what to look for. They liked to hang out in the gardens, too.

[wesw]

yep a lot of southern type animals and plants stretch their range up the eastern seaboard, or did at one time.

I remember seeing a map of the jaguar s range, in an old encyclopedia when I was a kid, it showed original and current range and the original range stretched up to and included the eastern shore.

there are colonial reports of "tigers" in the south and up the east coast and Appalachia. I don t think that they are taken as gospel tho....