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I had lunch with some friends this week and one of them said something very perceptive. All of the candidates are very tense and uptight except for Trump; he is the only one who seems to be relaxed and enjoying himself. I think the reason for this is that Trump is getting what he wants most of all already and not worried about being elected. Trump just wants attention. A creature of pure vanity, he is never ashamed of any idiotic thing he says he just waves it off and moves on to the next idiocy.
"... But man differs from other animals in one very important respect, and that is that he has some desires which are, so to speak, infinite, which can never be fully gratified, and which would keep him restless even in Paradise. The boa constrictor, when he has had an adequate meal, goes to sleep, and does not wake until he needs another meal. Human beings, for the most part, are not like this. When the Arabs, who had been used to living sparingly on a few dates, acquired the riches of the Eastern Roman Empire, and dwelt in palaces of almost unbelievable luxury, they did not, on that account, become inactive. Hunger could no longer be a motive, for Greek slaves supplied them with exquisite viands at the slightest nod. But other desires kept them active: four in particular, which we can label acquisitiveness, rivalry, vanity, and love of power.
"... Vanity is a motive of immense potency. Anyone who has much to do with children knows how they are constantly performing some antic, and saying «Look at me». «Look at me» is one of the most fundamental desires of the human heart. It can take innumerable forms, from buffoonery to the pursuit of posthumous fame. There was a Renaissance Italian princeling who was asked by the priest on his deathbed if he had anything to repent of. «Yes», he said, «there is one thing. On one occasion I had a visit from the Emperor and the Pope simultaneously. I took them to the top of my tower to see the view, and I neglected the opportunity to throw them both down, which would have given me immortal fame». History does not relate whether the priest gave him absolution. One of the troubles about vanity is that it grows with what it feeds on. The more you are talked about, the more you will wish to be talked about. The condemned murderer who is allowed to see the account of his trial in the press is indignant if he finds a newspaper which has reported it inadequately. And the more he finds about himself in other newspapers, the more indignant he will be with the one whose reports are meagre. Politicians and literary men are in the same case. And the more famous they become, the more difficult the press-cutting agency finds it to satisfy them. It is scarcely possible to exaggerate the influence of vanity throughout the range of human life, from the child of three to the potentate at whose frown the world trembles. Mankind have even committed the impiety of attributing similar desires to the Deity, whom they imagine avid for continual praise. ..."
Bertrand Russell Nobel Prize Lecture.




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Yes, you have friends, sure, do they attend the same day centre?
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rubato wrote:I had lunch with some friends...

See, now that's where this post lost all credibility... 8-)
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Gob wrote:Yes, you have friends, sure, do they attend the same day centre?

Mine do :ok

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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Apparently both of rubato's friends are named Bertrand Russell? :mrgreen:
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Here is an ad which aired during the GOP debate:



Brilliant!
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I agree Econo, that is a fantastic ad...very impactful....

It's been airing on the cable news channels a lot since the debate; I was going to start a thread about it....

I wanted to find out who the folks were who came up with it; who is "The National Immigration Forum"?

Well, they're not a bunch of lefties trying to undermine the GOP:

https://immigrationforum.org/

If my party actually wants to win Presidential elections, we would do well to listen to the message in that ad...

We need to nominate someone with a message on immigration like Jeb or Rubio or Kasich...

NOT a Trump or a Cruz...

My hats off to these folks for coming up with the best crafted political ad since, well:



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Sadly Jim, pandering to hatred and fear plays a lot better than asking for common sense to prevail.

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Econoline wrote:Here is an ad which aired during the GOP debate:



Brilliant!

Let's not get a gushy and forget the vicious lies Reagan governed by:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10/14 ... -must-die/
What Reagan actually said, according to Wikipedia: “During his 1976 presidential campaign, Reagan would tell the story of a woman from Chicago’s South Side arrested for welfare fraud: “She has eighty names, thirty addresses, twelve Social Security cards and is collecting veteran’s benefits on four non-existing deceased husbands. And she is collecting Social Security on her cards. She’s got Medicaid, getting food stamps, and she is collecting welfare under each of her names. Her tax-free cash income is over $150,000.”
The real life inspiration, according to Wikipedia: “In 1976, the New York Times reported that a woman from Chicago, Linda Taylor, was charged with using four aliases and of cheating the government out of $8,000. She appeared again in the newspaper while the Illinois Attorney General continued investigating her case. The woman was ultimately found guilty of “welfare fraud and perjury” in the Circuit Court of Cook County, Illinois.”
So one woman scammed the government out of a total of eight thousand dollars and got caught and sentenced. From this one woman’s situation, Reagan creatively invented multiple imaginary dead fake veteran husbands (not true), a six-figure “annual salary” ($8,000 is four digits and not enough to live on for a year), a dozen fake Social Security cards (not correct), 80 aliases (no) and 30 fake home addresses (also no) and so on…in short, he created the Welfare Queen stereotype by wildly exaggerating information about a real person who got caught doing something wrong and who was punished for her criminal act.
Right from the beginning, when Reagan first told the infamous Welfare Queen story, there wasn’t anyone who actually got away with welfare fraud in real life! One middle-aged woman inspired Reagan’s anecdote, and she got caught! She was punished! That fairy tale The Gipper told us has led to a lot of misery, most of it directed at the weakest members of our society: those who are the least capable of defending themselves. Are we a country of unkind assholes who lack compassion for our neighbors, now?

Do you think he way saying that she was black, too?


The real Reagan Legacy is intact; lie like you mean it, lie all the time.


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Lord Jim wrote:I agree Econo, that is a fantastic ad...very impactful....

It's been airing on the cable news channels a lot since the debate; I was going to start a thread about it....

I wanted to find out who the folks were who came up with it; who is "The National Immigration Forum"?

Well, they're not a bunch of lefties trying to undermine the GOP:

https://immigrationforum.org/

If my party actually wants to win Presidential elections, we would do well to listen to the message in that ad...

If your party wants to win elections they need to admit their policy on immigration has been wrong for 30 years.

If your party wants to win elections they need to admit they are wrong about global warming and we need to start acting.

If your party wants to win elections they need to admit that the ACA has been a success and stop trying to kill people by taking their HC away.

If your party wants to win elections they need to stop attacking poor and working women by getting rid of Planned Parenthood.

If your party wants to win elections they need to admit that cutting taxes on the rich creates deficits, and cutting services for the poor deepens poverty.

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Yeah, well you're the guy who still believes (despite all the detailed facts and data that has been laid before you) that Carter somehow inherited the "Nixon Inflation", and That Mr. Reagan was the first President to deal with dictators...

So rube, I'll take your opinions on this subject with a couple of tons of salt.... :ok
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LMAO :lol:

We cross posted...
If your party wants to win elections...blah blah blah...
Rube, I'm sure you meant to add:

"If your party wants to win elections, they have to admit they are evil, and the party of treason; they hate women, African Americans , Hispanics, and clean water and clean air, and the planet in general...

"in their spare time, they kick puppies and urinate on homeless people...

"they're just about as bad as it gets; they make The Wicked Witch Of the West look like Mother Teresa.....

"If your party wants to win elections [Presidential elections; we seem to be doing pretty good otherwise, at both the federal and state level] they have to stop being so evil and treasonous, and SATANIC"

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