The GOP continues the war on women.

[wesw]

I ll ignore SueU for a bit too, just so that guin won t make her feelings known thru her....

crap, I might as well ignore econoline too, I m sick of his bullshit too....

nah, he amuses me.

at least crackpot has an open mind. he isn t willing to swallow obvious bullshit and dishonesty and race/gender-baiting just because his party embraces it as a means to achieve some utopian ends.

Down with white men!!!!! Kill 'em all!!!!

[Crackpot]

Says the guy putting people on ignore because he doesn't agree with them.

[oldr_n_wsr]

Most of it provided for poor women who do not have health insurance

I thought ObamaCare was going to take care of that?

cancer screening,

PP does not provide mammograms, but they do provide pelvic exams.

[Guinevere]

What you should ignore, Wes, are the words you continuously try to put into my mouth.

I've never said republicans are evil. And I'm not race or gender baiting. I have a perspective on what's been going on with the attempts to control women by limiting their access to and choices concerning reproduction. Many men and many women agree with me. You're perfectly free to disagree.

I've also been perfectly clear that I'm an unabashed and unapologetic feminist. But that doesn't mean I dislike men. In fact, I enjoy men, get along famously with lots, and even outright love some of them, including several I'm not even related to (those damn scoundrels).

[wesw]

darn, why am I still seeing guin s posts?

no crackpot, I m putting guin on ignore because seeing her slobbering rants about some concocted war on women in America, is just disgusting and I don t wish to see her sink to such depths.

some things are better left unseen.

leave her to her dirty trick bag if that is what floats her boat.....

she is becoming what she claims to despise. I have done so myself in my past. admitting that you are the problem is a very hard thing to do, and to accept, and to live with.

[Sue U]

I ll ignore SueU for a bit too, just so that guin won t make her feelings known thru her....

I don't speak for Guin; she's a grown woman perfectly capable of speaking for herself (and doing so quite well).

Ignore her, ignore me, whatever; it's your choice to remain ignorant. However, you might consider that there may be something you could actually learn from other people's views -- even if it's only that other people view things differently than you do.

[Guinevere]

I'd just like to point out my signature and note that at least one Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States agrees with the point I've been trying to make. To wit: Women's participation in the economic and social lives of this country is directly related to their ability to control their reproduction. It is clear (and there is all sorts of data available supporting this position) that in many businesses, when women take off time for pregnancy and/or child rearing, or when they make those jobs a priority over their work lives, they take an economic hit. They also take a social hit, which can have economic consequences. They do less networking. They have less job experience. Their job experience becomes a choppy rather than a straight line, and they may not be long-tenured in their jobs.

I am not saying women shouldn't do this -- its important work and necessary for the continuity of the species -- but women should not be penalized for doing that work, nor should their options as to how their reproduction is controlled be limited, except by their own choices and their own morality.

[Crackpot]

Yer know dats freedoms only fer da menfolk.

[Sue U]

PP does not provide mammograms, but they do provide pelvic exams.

Planned Parenthood also provides general breast cancer screenings including breast exams; they assist with obtaining biopsies and radiology services (including ultrasound and mammogram) and provide follow-up care, particularly for poor women in underserved areas.

[oldr_n_wsr]

And again, why do we even need PP if everyone, even the poor can get (and are supposed to have) ObamaCare. Too poor? I thought there were subsidies for that. They probably can even get it for free if they are poor enough. Why are we funding both PP, which was set up to provide care for predominately poor women, and ObamaCare who's mission is the same?

ETA
Yes I know PP "assists" in radio and optaining mammograms, I just wonder why don't they provide the mammograms. You would think that would be high on the list.

[Crackpot]

I get the impression you're being willfully ignorant.

[Big RR]

Well oldr, Obamacare provides a much broader net, and cover the working middle class which cannot get access to insurance, and working older people too young for medicare and too wealthy for Medicaid, etc. And while Obamacare provides good coverage in some areas, it is woefully inadequate in others, and also does not provide coverage for all persons (undocumented aliens, e.g., are not eligible). Further, USSC has said that plans can opt out of providing coverage for birth control (and see how many repubs said at the time that those who want it could go to PP--econo's post above). Also, let's not forget a child (even one in her 20s) covered by a parent's plan may not want to go to the family doctor or use her parent's pharmacy coverage to get birth control pills or devices. PP fills an important need that is not covered by current insurance, as well as providing medical services related to contraception which may be covered by someone's insurance for people who don't have a family doctor (a good number of independent young people) or can't/won't utilize their own for such services (many still living with their parents).

And as I said above, contraception greatly lowers the demand for abortion, which is what the repubs say they want (but probably don't--they want total control).

[rubato]

And again, why do we even need PP if everyone, even the poor can get (and are supposed to have) ObamaCare. Too poor? I thought there were subsidies for that. They probably can even get it for free if they are poor enough. Why are we funding both PP, which was set up to provide care for predominately poor women, and ObamaCare who's mission is the same?

ETA
Yes I know PP "assists" in radio and optaining mammograms, I just wonder why don't they provide the mammograms. You would think that would be high on the list.

PP has provided HC for women for many decades and Obamacare has only just begun. They do provide mammograms. PP is non-profit. PP has used a sliding scale for fees for lower-income women for decades.

We are proud to support PP to the tune of $1,500 a year every year split (erratically) between the national and regional organizations. It is money well spent, the world is better off.

I think we should wait and see if the asshole Republicans kill the ACA before we even begin to consider closing up long-running successful programs like PP. Besides, the asshole Republicans would kill any funding for abortions or birth control.

yrs,
rubato

[wesw]

put on some blackface when you make fun of speech patterns, crackpot.

much more traditional.

women are already free here. take a trip to Dearborn and that may not be true, but mostly it s true....

not in the Islamic world tho, not in cairo..., not in north Africa..., not in Arabia..., not in Persia, a little better in Persia, unless the religious police catch you with too much skin showing....

not in the paris suburbs...

you guys are leading yourselves to slaughter. wake up.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Oh well, I think these "de-fund Planned Parenthood" initiatives are totally off-base. At the same time,

Women's participation in the economic and social lives of this country is directly related to their ability to control their reproduction.

I think highly enough of women to believe that they are able to control their reproduction. Why then do we need abortion? Let 'em control it - and if they can't, let 'em bear the consequence

(Oh you're all gonna start going all "incest and rape" on me, ain't ya? But you don't want "incest and rape" to be the basis, do ya? You want "any time, any where as long as someone else pays for it")

[Guinevere]

We've been through this a million times before -- birth control is not infallible. The most protective birth control requires a prescription (the pill or the ring), or, even a medical procedure (IUDs or implants). Condoms break, and their success rate over time is something around 75%. Diaphragms are not much better (my doctor refused to prescribe one for me for that very reason) and also require a prescription.

Note I'VE never said "any time, any where as long as someone else pays for it." Don't you think you should add -- for any reason? But nice wes move, trying to put words into my mouth.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Oh, did I say you wrote that? Sorry... don't think I did.

Ah, so it's women are responsible except when something breaks? Got it

[Guinevere]

And oh yes, women are just standing in line, beating down the doors, wanting to get abortions "any time, any where" because you know, someone else is paying for it. They're such fun. Painless, too. Without emotional or physical consequence.

[Guinevere]

Oh, did I say you wrote that? Sorry... don't think I did.

You purported to say "what I want." I've never said "what I want" or used those phrases. So yes, in so many words, you did, by attributing those comments to me.

[rubato]

Oh well, ...

I think highly enough of women to believe that they are able to control their reproduction. Why then do we need abortion? Let 'em control it - and if they can't, let 'em bear the consequence

(Oh you're all gonna start going all "incest and rape" on me, ain't ya? But you don't want "incest and rape" to be the basis, do ya? You want "any time, any where as long as someone else pays for it")

The most effective long term birth control is too expensive for many women to afford it. So that defunding Planned Parenthood ensures more unwanted pregnancies and more abortions. But the St Louis study proved that when it was avail. to women unwanted pregnancy and abortions plummeted.


If you really want fewer abortions then you should give money to Planned Parenthood to provide Norplant or IUDs. Those are effective. Blaming women is not.


http://www.choiceproject.wustl.edu/


Republicans: stop being assholes to women.


yrs,
rubato