The GOP continues the war on women.

[wesw]

yeah, fill the poor women with norplant and all its horrible effects, if they don t want that shove a contraption up their action and tell em to like it.

so kind of you.....

you guys are insane, you create a dependent underclass to to keep you in power, give all their jobs to immigrants and other countries (repubs especially there), give them all the means to sit around and do nothing but screw, and get rid of their babies for them, while extracting all the good bits for your wrinkle therapy...

its all lubbly jubbly innit? you know it makes sense Rodders.....

[Big RR]

yeah, fill the poor women with norplant and all its horrible effects, if they don t want that shove a contraption up their action and tell em to like it.

what guys? Who is proposing forced contraception. No one here. Not PP.

you guys are insane, you create a dependent underclass to to keep you in power, give them all the means to sit around and do nothing but screw, and get rid of their babies for them, while extracting all the good bits for your wrinkle therapy...

A permanent underclass would be much easier to create with forced childbirth; keep 'em barefoot and pregnant with a brood of kids and they'd be dependent. By all means don't tell them they can control their destiny through contraception, that might lead to--gasp--independent thought and upward mobility.

Means to do nothing but screw? Where are you even finding this? We're talking about PP, and you talk about the means to do nothing but screw. I can't even think of a response that begins to be appropriate because I have no idea what you are saying.

Wrinkle cream? Sure, that's why people want abortions in the first place--to get fetal cells to stop wrinkles. They're lining up screaming for it. And let's not forget the placental creams that do the same things (reportedly) from placentas expelled after live births. Why it's enough to stop contraception, right?

Perhaps now you'll see how ridiculous this is.

Of course, there are people who could really benefit from stem cell therapy--from disabled veterans to paralyzed children with horrible genetic diseases. But of course W and the repubs didn't see any reason to support that.

[Gob]

The most effective long term birth control is too expensive for many women to afford it.

Not in civilised countries it isn't.

[rubato]

The most effective long term birth control is too expensive for many women to afford it.

Not in civilised countries it isn't.

I would agree. The United States would be a more civilized country if we provided all forms of birth control free to all women. WE would be better off financially and socially as well.

Republicans are in the way.


yrs,
rubato

[oldr_n_wsr]

I get the impression you're being willfully ignorant.

never.
but I am being sarcastic.

[BoSoxGal]

Gob & rubato have a rare moment of agreement!!!!!!! ANYTHING is possible!


wesw, you seem extraordinarily hostile in recents posts. What happened whilst I was absent? Is your TV stuck on the Faux News channel?

[wesw]

nah, the money changers need chunking out of the temple....

look at it this way....

the govt as the temple....

the elected officials as the priests..

the special interests as the moneychangers and hawkers....

the people as jesus.....


some serious rebuking seems in order.

rudeness is ok, the truth hurts at first, but it eventually heals..., and makes you stronger , slower, and about half as good as you thought you were....

[Guinevere]

That applies equally on both sides of the aisle. And still, the ones raising the most money are the republicans through their PACs (Jeb, in particular). I don't see you "rebuking" them at all . . .

Interesting too, should only candidates with significant personal fortunes be able to run? Trump and his ilk? In my opinion, that's just handing the "temple" over to the "moneylenders" and locking the doors to anyone else.

[rubato]

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/24/9373721/pl ... where-else

Stat check: No, women couldn’t just “go somewhere else” if Planned Parenthood closed

Updated by Sarah Kliff on September 24, 2015, 7:00 a.m. ET @sarahkliff sarah@vox.com


The "defund Planned Parenthood" movement has a standard response to the question of where women would go if their local clinic closed: somewhere else.
Related The Planned Parenthood controversy over aborted fetus body parts, explained

"There are 13,000 community-based organizations that provide health services to women, 13,000 in this country," Jeb Bush said at last week's Republican primary debate. "I don’t believe that Planned Parenthood should get a penny from the federal government."

Other Republicans make a similar claim. A spokesperson for Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) argued that Planned Parenthood's funding could be diverted to "community health centers and other entities providing health services without abortions." And on paper, it sounds plausible that 13,000 clinics might be able to absorb Planned Parenthood's 2.7 million patients who get government help paying for birth control and other reproductive health services.

But a Vox review of academic research, recent Planned Parenthood closures in Texas, and interviews with half a dozen health policy experts suggests the opposite. Historically, researchers have found that when Planned Parenthood clinics close, other clinics do not step up to fill the gap. Meanwhile, when there are fewer reproductive health clinics available, women get less reproductive health care — from birth control to cancer screenings to STD testing and treatment. Unintended pregnancies would likely increase, too.

"When Planned Parenthood clinics close, other providers don't step up"

Texas cut Planned Parenthood out of its family planning networks — and women got less health care

Texas has for years now been a battleground for women's health. Its abortion restrictions are currently being challenged before the Supreme Court — and its own, successful work to defund Planned Parenthood has correlated with women receiving less reproductive health care in public programs.

In 2013, the Texas Women's Health Program began excluding Planned Parenthood from its network of clinics where low-income women could get contraceptives, STD screenings, and other reproductive health services.

"When Texas defunded Planned Parenthood, there was a lot of talk that it will be easy to fill the gaps and no one would lose services," says Leighton Ku, a public health researcher at George Washington University. "We called other clinics and asked them, 'If Planned Parenthood couldn't do this anymore, are you prepared to step up to the plate?' The answer, in the short run, was they couldn't do it. They just had limited capacity."

"Since Texas defunded Planned Parenthood, fewer women get reproductive care"

State data shows that without Planned Parenthood in the network, the public program provided care to about 9 percent fewer women than it did in 2011. In the West Texas region, women served by that program declined by 40 percent between 2011 and 2013 — the same year that Planned Parenthood closed two clinics in that area of the state.

"You had a provider shortage," says Joe Potter, a researcher who runs University of Texas' Policy Evaluation Project. As part of that project, Potter has worked with his colleague Dr. Junda Woo to study what happened to women seen at Planned Parenthood clinics in two Texas cities. That work, which is currently under academic review, shows that some users of injectable contraceptive (Depo Provera) were unable to find an alternative provider to continue with the shots shortly after Texas cut Planned Parenthood clinics out of network.

yrs,
rubato

[wesw]

guin you and I pretty much agree on campaign finance reform, and the form that it should take. so no, billionairs and people financed by billionairs should have no advantage at all

[Econoline]

Even their token woman just lies lies lies ...

Oh, lookee here. A bunch of OB/GYNs--you know, actual Medical Doctors who know more about fetuses than the entire GOP combined--have weighed in on that video:

OB/GYNs agree “fully formed fetus” in that Planned Parenthood video not from an abortion – here’s why
POSTED BY DR. JEN GUNTER ⋅ SEPTEMBER 21, 2015

This weekend I posted about my hypothesis that the 3rd Planned Parenthood video deceptively shot and edited by the Center for Medical Progress did not contain video of a “fully formed fetus” (Carly Fiorina’s words), I believe it is a premature delivery. I reached that conclusion from 25 years of clinical practice in OB/GYN. I decided to ask nine other OB/GYNs what they thought about the clip, meaning I put a lot more effort into getting the facts than the politicians who voted to defund Planned Parenthood. All nine OB/GYNs agree with me. Several are OB/GYns who have done advanced training in family planning and so are experts in the field.

We all agree the video clip is highly unlikely to be from an abortion. We all agree it is likely a premature delivery. We all agree it can’t be from a Planned Parenthood clinic.

Here’s why:

• ● The cord is clamped. No one ever clamps the cord in a 2nd trimester abortion. Ever. No one has seen it and no one has even heard of it happening. If you want to see the image where I point out the clamp, click here. I know it disturbs some so I’m not reposting.
  
  ● The condition of the skin. Fetal skin is very fragile at 18 weeks, but here it is perfect. There is also no bruising. With 2nd trimester abortions, even when the purpose is to deliver intact (which is rarely the case), there is some instrumentation and this always leaves marks. If this were an induction of labor there is almost always bruising and skin maceration. Inductions are only done for malformations and none are present.
  
  ● The gestational age. Likely 18 weeks, maybe 20 weeks. At a Planned Parenthood an abortion at this gestation would be a D & E. Inductions don’t happen at Planned Parenthood.

The evidence suggests this is a premature delivery. The perfect condition is typical of a rapid but atraumatic delivery, such as cervical incompetence or a second twin.

The video clip was provided by the Center for Bio-Ethical reform. This is what they had to say when questioned about the veracity:

“The video clip we provided to CMP depicted an intact delivery abortion. It was filmed at an abortion clinic. It was not a miscarriage. Mothers don’t go to abortion clinics to miscarry. Had this case been a miscarriage, the mother would have presented at a hospital and her baby would have been rushed to an isolette for appropriate neonatal care — not abandoned to writhe and eventually expire in a cold, stainless steel specimen vessel. As regards the organizational affiliation of the abortion facility in which this termination was performed, our access agreements forbid the disclosure of any information which might tend to identify the relevant clinics or personnel with whom we work. Preserving confidentiality is vital to future clinic access. I can, however, assure you that the footage in question is not anomalous. It is representative of the frequent outcomes of many late term intact delivery terminations performed at clinics of all organizational affiliations.”

So the people who deceptively edited videos and used without permission a picture of a stilbirth and passed it off as an abortion want us to take the word of an organization that cannot say when or where they obtained the video because they are getting videos under false pretenses?

When women deliver prematurely at a very early gestational age a stainless steel basin is often used as this what we have in the operating room and in delivery rooms. We use stainless steel not because we are mean or heartless, but because it can be sterilized for re-use (just like the clamp). Some operating rooms now use disposable plastic, but the video looks like it was converted from analog and so is likely old and steel was ubiquitous for many, many years.

If you want to get maximum shock value and you are not above lying you would use the best looking fetus you can find because you want people like Fiorina to scream about a “fully formed” perfect looking fetus on television. In fact, you dream about that.

And yes some anti-choice activists will say that they just needed a representative image, but if your plan is a “sting” video you actually have to show the supposedly illegal thing you are trying to catch people doing. You can’t say we need to close the beach for shark attacks because you are sure they are happening and then offer a woman with her leg bitten by a dog as proxy.

The purpose of the video clip is to convince people it is part of Holly O’Donnell’s completely unverifiable narrative. If there were true evidence of a crime, the claim of live births being harvested for brains, why not go straight to the authorities? If you are so concerned about “life” wouldn’t you drop everything and call 911?

Ten OB/GYNs who say the clip is likely a premature delivery and not representative of an abortion.

[rubato]

The thing that surprises me is how Republicans are not shocked by deliberate barefaced lying. They don't care about the truth.


They do it so often that has become 'the new normal'???


yrs,
rubato