Let's Hear It For The Boy...

[Lord Jim]

Fingers crossed...

This year’s El Niño still looks like a whopper

Federal forecasters on Thursday reinforced expectations of a strong El Niño this winter, saying there’s a 95 percent chance the burly weather phenomenon, often linked to rain in California, sticks around until spring.

Equatorial waters in the Pacific remain extraordinarily warm and trade winds that typically push balmy seas away from the Americas remain weak. The conditions portend an El Niño on par with the giants in 1997-98 and 1982-83, according to the U.S. Climate Prediction Center.

In the past, strong El Niños have correlated with above-average rain in the southern United States, with Southern California often a landing pad for major storms and floods. Northern California has historically been less affected by El Niño, though the stronger the system, the higher the chances of rain.

During the 1997-98 winter, San Francisco saw a whopping 47 inches of rain, more than double the average.

California is wrestling with four years of punishing drought. Wet weather would be welcomed, particularly in the northern reaches of the state, where residents get most of their water from reservoirs and snowpack.

The monthly El Niño forecast released Thursday mirrors last month’s projections, which also offered a 95 percent chance that the weather system would be strong and hang around through California’s wet season.

Federal officials warn that the pattern brings no guarantee of precipitation and that even if the winter months are wet, California would need roughly 2½ times its average rainfall, depending on the area, to patch its drought deficit.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/This ... 558723.php

[BoSoxGal]

I just read an article that discussed the high likelihood of another mass bleaching of coral around the world due to this year's El Niño . . . every silver lining has a cloud, I suppose.

[rubato]

I just read an article that discussed the high likelihood of another mass bleaching of coral around the world due to this year's El Niño . . . every silver lining has a cloud, I suppose.

The bleaching is due to global warming. Coincident with.


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[BoSoxGal]

The bleaching is due to the warming of the ocean; El Niño causes warmer than normal ocean temperatures, as has climate change. Scientists at University of Queensland are the ones predicting that the coming El Niño season may cause massive bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef and other tropical reefs worldwide.

http://www.usnews.com/news/science/news ... -worldwide

[rubato]

El Nino does not cause ocean warming it is ocean warming caused by solar radiation* (and exacerbated by higher levels of CO2).


Scientists are saying that during the coming season, which is an El Nino season, ocean warming will cause even more bleaching. The article is not written very well.


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* in certain areas &c.

[BoSoxGal]

Perhaps I am simply not understanding your attempts - in few words - to explain yourself, which is certainly a possibility. You'll have to forgive me for relying on more reputable sources than some guy on an online bulletin board whose credentials are unknown to me.


And on second thought, I don't know why you are arguing with me at all. El Niño causes or is warmer ocean currents is semantics; the point is the same the El Niños are correlated with warmer oceans and that causes coral bleaching.

Please go fight with LJ or Gob, ok?

[rubato]

"You'll have to forgive me for relying on more reputable sources " You mean relying on your broken understanding of what they wrote. I confirmed with the acting deputy director of the western region of the USGS last evening, we get together for drinks on Fri. for a weekly debrief.


"El Nino" is a descriptive term for warming of the surface of the ocean.


Ocean warming causes coral bleaching.
Ocean warming causes El Nino.

El Nino does not cause bleaching. You said that it did which is what I am objecting to. Now I know you can't admit the error but it has been illuminated clearly for others, at least.


http://www.elnino.noaa.gov/
"Sea surface temperature in the equatorial Pacific Ocean (above). El Niño is characterized by unusually warm temperatures and La Niña by unusually cool temperatures in the equatorial Pacific. Anomalies (below) represent deviations from normal temperature values, with unusually warm temperatures shown in red and unusually cold anomalies shown in blue."


And if you can't believe those assholes at NOAA who can you believe?


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[dales]

And if you can't believe those assholes at NOAA who can you believe?


yrs,
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The DNC Paul Krugman?

[BoSoxGal]

El Niño is characterized by ocean warming, which causes coral bleaching. The multiple articles I've read on this discuss climate scientists referring to this El Niño season as likely to cause mass coral bleaching.

I've not made any error, I don't even know what you're attacking me for - other than apparently you really are just a mean prick who has to be obnoxious to everyone, including someone who has always tried to understand you and be compassionate toward you here.

What for rubato? What exactly did you just 'prove'? As I pointed out before, there was actually nothing at issue between what I posted and what you posted.

Thanks for being an asshole to me, hope you're happy for it.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Don't worry, bsg - he's pulling a Meade

You wrote

El Niño causes warmer than normal ocean temperatures

and all he's doing is insisting that

"Warmer than normal ocean temperatures cause El Niño"

[Joe Guy]

Stop! You're both right!!

[rubato]

El Niño is characterized by ocean warming, which causes coral bleaching. The multiple articles I've read on this discuss climate scientists referring to this El Niño season as likely to cause mass coral bleaching.

I've not made any error, I don't even know what you're attacking me for - other than apparently you really are just a mean prick who has to be obnoxious to everyone, including someone who has always tried to understand you and be compassionate toward you here.

What for rubato? What exactly did you just 'prove'? As I pointed out before, there was actually nothing at issue between what I posted and what you posted.

Thanks for being an asshole to me, hope you're happy for it.

The mote has been removed from your eye which is what was important. I did not expect gratitude nor the bitchy hostility but I don't take the latter personally; that is how you act to everyone. You cannot admit error however trivial.



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[BoSoxGal]

That's not true at all, as I've done so many times right here on this board and do so regularly in real life, too.

I simply echoed the language as used by climate scientists and you chose to attack me nastily to which I've responded as I think is deserved, given how many times I've tried to defend you here. And it's simply untrue that I'm hostile to everyone here as there are numerous posters who have never been nasty to me to whom I have also never been nasty; I give what I get, which seems fair.

Yay for you rubato, you've finally convinced me of what I've long been told by LJ and Gob and others; that you will be an arrogant mean asshole to anybody for any reason without provocation. You had a hair across your ass and so responded to my simple post setting forth what I've read (again, assertions by CLIMATE SCIENTISTS, which you are not, using the language as they use it) by treating me like an idiot and being an arrogant ass.


Kudos to you, sir - I'm probably the one person on this board who liked you and you managed to make me want to ignore your posts. For what? Do you feel big and important now, cutting someone down who didn't even make an error except to believe that the people in the climate science field actually know what they're talking about?

[wesw]

sheesh....,

you really do have a huge problem admitting error.

even small things like mistakes in grammar or word usage, which the rest of us have fun with, turn you into a screaming mimi.

mistakes do not make you inferior, they are just mistakes.

I cannot imagine that these traits are not harmful to you in other places as well.

get over yourself. you will be much happier.

[wesw]

....funny that rube can see the mote in your eye, but the massive beam within his own eye is not so obvious to him.

[Lord Jim]

You cannot admit error however trivial.

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