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Local municipalities around here have taken to "oiling" the eggs. If they just take or brek the eggs the geese will just lay more. When they oil them, the geese sit on the eggs and not try again. The egss "suffocate". Don't know if it is working as I have not seen a decline in population. But then again, I have not counted them either.

As Guin points out, special permits are required for hunting the Canadian geese (and other types also) for their migratory status. Many are not migrating anymore but the ones a hunter may shoot could be migrating thus the reason to keep the permit as it is.

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oldr--I don't know the text of the law for certain, but I don't think any particular bird has to be migrating to be covered--all Canadian geese are covered (I think their eggs as well). To show how stupid it is, when the goose was nesting in the parking lot, it attacked a woman who it thought parked too close; a man in the lot came to her aid and hit the goose with an ice scraper (he did not injure it, just scared it off), and he was arrested for attacking a migratory bird. I don't know the outcome, but these things are as pesky as rats in many cities, and yet they still are protected.

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There needs to be a big cull done on the Canadian geese, nationwide. Fill up the food bank freezers with the pesky things with all the meat going to the needy.

The geese I fed were tufted toulouse or african, I used to be able to tell which was what.

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Between the geese, poutine, Celine Dion, Justin Bieber and Howie Mandel, Canada has a lot to answer for.
GAH!

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I've never seen a Canadian Goose. Do they honk like this: Hoonk Hoonk, Eh?

Around here we have Ross's Geese, Canada Geese, Cackling Geese, etc.

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Here's what NY State has about the geese
The circumstances when federal or state permits are needed to address a problem with Canada geese can be complex; however, here are some general guidelines:
•No federal or state permits are needed to scare, herd, or chase away geese by any means, including dogs or noisemakers, as long as no birds are physically harmed.
If you only want to destroy goose nests or treat the eggs with corn oil (or puncturing) to prevent hatching, simply visit the USFWS's Resident Canada Goose Nest and Egg Registration Site to register on-line (see the Offsite Link in the right-hand column). You do not need any special authorization or permit from DEC.

•If you are the manager of an airport or military airfield, determine your eligibility to conduct lethal control of geese between April 1 and September 15 by reviewing the requirements of the control order for resident Canada geese at airports and military airfields (see the Offsite Link in the right-hand column). If you qualify you do not need any special authorization or permit from DEC; to take geese at other times of the year a Federal permit is needed.
•If you are a farmer or manager of a beach or drinking water supply, and you want permission for the lethal removal of geese between April 1 (manager of a beach or drinking water supply) / May 1 (farmer) and August 31, you do not need a federal permit but need written authorization from your local DEC Wildlife office.
•In most other situations, including areas where geese are a general nuisance (parks, golf courses, residential or commercial properties, etc.), or to kill geese at other times of the year, you need a specific Federal permit. To apply for a federal permit, contact the New York State office of USDA Wildlife Services at (518) 477-4837.
•DEC generally does not allow relocation of geese with or without a permit.
•For more information, view, print, or download the document below or contact your local DEC Wildlife office.

Additional information is provided in the document "Permit Requirements for Take of Canada Geese in New York (PDF)" (updated March 2013, 37 kB). This document provides general information about state and federal permit requirements to take Canada geese (including nests or eggs).
http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7003.html

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Joe Guy--Here's one

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I thought a Canadian goose would look more like this...

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I m not sure about the laws regarding farmers taking resident geese , which are damaging their crops and water sources. they may be as older stated and just require getting permission from DNR

they can take deer pretty much at will, I think they need a permit to do so.

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Canada Geese for jeez's sake. Canada. Not "Canadian"
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MajGenl.Meade wrote:Canada Geese for jeez's sake. Canada. Not "Canadian"
It's how we say it in these here parts. Bugging you with is just a bonus.

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MajGenl.Meade wrote:Canada Geese for jeez's sake. Canada. Not "Canadian"
Often when I am thirsty I'll drink a Canadian Dry ginger ale.

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:fu :fu :fu

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Canadian mints.

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OR THIS...

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Canada Club Whiskey
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Sue U wrote:Between the geese, poutine, Celine Dion, Justin Bieber and Howie Mandel, Canada has a lot to answer for.
I think they're making up for it:

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Canada bacon?

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The OED has only one other citation for the usage, from the Penny Cyclopaedia (1838): “The Canada Goose generally builds its nest on the ground.”

The dictionary, which has no citation for “Canadian” goose or geese, notes that the noun “Canada” is used attributively—that is, adjectivally—“in the names of various commercial products, animals, and plants.”

In addition to “Canada goose,” the OED cites “Canada jay,” “Canada potato” (Jerusalem artichoke), “Canada rice” (an aquatic grass), “Canada thistle,” “Canada violet,” and others.

In the 19th century, writers used the attributive noun (“Canada”) as well as the adjective (“Canadian”) in referring to the goose.

For example, Meriwether Lewis, in a May 15, 1805, journal entry during his expedition with William Clark, uses the adjective in reporting “a small species of geese which differ considerably from the common canadian goose.”

And The American Universal Geography (1812), in listing birds of the United States, says, “The Canadian goose (Anser canadensis) is a bird of passage, and gregarious.”

In The Birds of America (1827-39), John James Audubon uses the attributive noun: “The Canada Geese are fond of returning regularly to the place which they have chosen for resting in, and this they continue to do until they find themselves greatly molested while there.”

And in Ornithological Biography (1835), Audubon describes a “curious mode of shooting the Canada Goose I have practised with much success.”

Audubon says he sinks a hogshead in the sand, covers himself with brushwood, “and in this concealment I have killed several at a shot; but the stratagem answers for only a few nights in the season.”

We’ve come across several theories about why English speakers generally prefer the term “Canada goose” to “Canadian goose.”

Another theory is that English speakers use the attributive noun “Canada” for the goose because canadensis in the scientific Latin name means “of Canada.”

But the ornithologist and zoologist Richard C. Banks, quoted on snopes.com, has said “the English name of a species is not directly related to the scientific name or its ending.”

Banks says the common names of birds probably develop simply because the people who use them prefer them to the alternatives.

Pat Schwieterman, a contributor to the Language Log, notes that the adjectival form is typically used when the names of countries modify nouns, while the attributive form is generally used when the names of states or provinces modify nouns.

He cites such avian adjectival examples as the American crow, the Cuban parakeet, and the Jamaican lizard cuckoo, along with attributive examples like the California condor, the Arizona woodpecker, and the Louisiana waterthrush.

We can cite many other examples, notably the American robin, as well as many exceptions, including the subject of today’s post: the Canada goose.

Finally, Laura Erickson, who writes and broadcasts about birds, says on the mailing list of the Minnesota Ornithologists’ Union that the Canada goose “gets its name from its breeding range.”

“It is of course perfectly acceptable and correct to call one a ‘Canadian goose’ if you see its passport or some other verification of its citizenship,” she adds.
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MajGenl.Meade wrote:
The OED has only one other citation for the usage, from the Penny Cyclopaedia (1838): “The Canada Goose generally builds its nest on the ground.”

The dictionary, which has no citation for “Canadian” goose or geese, notes that the noun “Canada” is used attributively—that is, adjectivally—“in the names of various commercial products, animals, and plants.”

In addition to “Canada goose,” the OED cites “Canada jay,” “Canada potato” (Jerusalem artichoke), “Canada rice” (an aquatic grass), “Canada thistle,” “Canada violet,” and others.

In the 19th century, writers used the attributive noun (“Canada”) as well as the adjective (“Canadian”) in referring to the goose.

For example, Meriwether Lewis, in a May 15, 1805, journal entry during his expedition with William Clark, uses the adjective in reporting “a small species of geese which differ considerably from the common canadian goose.”

And The American Universal Geography (1812), in listing birds of the United States, says, “The Canadian goose (Anser canadensis) is a bird of passage, and gregarious.”

In The Birds of America (1827-39), John James Audubon uses the attributive noun: “The Canada Geese are fond of returning regularly to the place which they have chosen for resting in, and this they continue to do until they find themselves greatly molested while there.”

And in Ornithological Biography (1835), Audubon describes a “curious mode of shooting the Canada Goose I have practised with much success.”

Audubon says he sinks a hogshead in the sand, covers himself with brushwood, “and in this concealment I have killed several at a shot; but the stratagem answers for only a few nights in the season.”

We’ve come across several theories about why English speakers generally prefer the term “Canada goose” to “Canadian goose.”

Another theory is that English speakers use the attributive noun “Canada” for the goose because canadensis in the scientific Latin name means “of Canada.”

But the ornithologist and zoologist Richard C. Banks, quoted on snopes.com, has said “the English name of a species is not directly related to the scientific name or its ending.”

Banks says the common names of birds probably develop simply because the people who use them prefer them to the alternatives.

Pat Schwieterman, a contributor to the Language Log, notes that the adjectival form is typically used when the names of countries modify nouns, while the attributive form is generally used when the names of states or provinces modify nouns.

He cites such avian adjectival examples as the American crow, the Cuban parakeet, and the Jamaican lizard cuckoo, along with attributive examples like the California condor, the Arizona woodpecker, and the Louisiana waterthrush.

We can cite many other examples, notably the American robin, as well as many exceptions, including the subject of today’s post: the Canada goose.

Finally, Laura Erickson, who writes and broadcasts about birds, says on the mailing list of the Minnesota Ornithologists’ Union that the Canada goose “gets its name from its breeding range.”

“It is of course perfectly acceptable and correct to call one a ‘Canadian goose’ if you see its passport or some other verification of its citizenship,” she adds.

This is all fine and dandy sir, but absolutely no one around here ever says "Canada Goose". I sing the song of my people.

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